Darts, Shuriken, and Ammunition

[Eltern]

Did you mean that I should keep it at its high price because shuriken act as though you have quickdraw, or should be lowered because they don't. Because you don't need quickdraw for shuriken.

Could you not theoretically construct gloves of shuriken throwing that work like a bow for adding magic enhancements?

Eltern

 

[SeRiAlExPeRiMeNtS]

Did you mean that I should keep it at its high price because shuriken act as though you have quickdraw, or should be lowered because they don't. Because you don't need quickdraw for shuriken.

Could you not theoretically construct gloves of shuriken throwing that work like a bow for adding magic enhancements?

Eltern

Well I would alow it... By the core rules the best way to have magic shuriken is with a wand of greater magic weapon...

 

[Darklone]

... and preferably a wand of Keen edge, another of Flame Arrow, yet another of GMW (mentioned above), perhaps a wand of... dang, what was the other 3rd level spell our EK archer build wanted? Good Hope, I think. Or Heroism? The long time buff.

 

[Scion]

For some reason I was thinking shurikens were like throwing knives and had to have quick draw to use effectively, hopefully that is wrong

In any event, I was saying to reduce the price of the thing because it is not nearly as stackable as a bow +arrows. With the bow and arrows you can have a +10 bow with various enhancements and +5 arrows (albiet for a very prohibitive cost). While the shurikens can only get the +5, and you cant even put any special powers on them. Thinking of it that way I believe the cost should be reduced at least somewhat, but to what value I am unsure/undecided.

Gloves however use a 'slot'. The quiver above doesnt really take up a slot. So changing it to only producing shurikens and that takes up a slot would reduce the price so much that it would probably be too low.. having an unlimited amount for less than 50 would normally cost just seems odd somehow But I'd probably still allow it since it takes up a slot, has fairly limited use, and I'd probably put some other modifications on it as well.

 

[Hypersmurf]

For some reason I was thinking shurikens were like throwing knives and had to have quick draw to use effectively, hopefully that is wrong

You draw them as a free action, like ammunition.

In any event, I was saying to reduce the price of the thing because it is not nearly as stackable as a bow +arrows. With the bow and arrows you can have a +10 bow with various enhancements and +5 arrows (albiet for a very prohibitive cost). While the shurikens can only get the +5, and you cant even put any special powers on them.

You know you can put special abilities on arrows and shuriken, right?

There's nothing wrong with making 50 +1 Flaming shuriken for 8000gp.

-Hyp.

 

[Scion]

come on hyp normally you are so good about reading the thread! thats ok though, maybe I said things inproperly, I'll try again.

I said that I had thought something wrong, was corrected, and then I said that hopefully I was wrong. It is hard to tell on occasion with the piles of errata and opinions by 'the sage' what exactly is true all of the time. I do appreciate knowing the real rules after all, not that they always matter, but in this forumn they are definately helpful. I had thought shurikens had the property of needing quick draw unless you were a monk, must've been in a houserule thread.. oops on me.

As for the special abilities on shuriken, yes, I do realize that they can be enchanted as ammunition and can get any enhancements that ammunition can get. However, that is not relevant to what I was talking about

I was discussing use of the quiver I posted above, modified to put out shuriken, and that quiver only gives rules for having +'s and special materials. Hence my comment about only up to +5. Also, my other comment was about having a bow with up to +10, but that meant having any legal enhancement combination that added up to +10. So with a +10 equivalent bow and +5 arrows from the quiver I said that combination of powers is powerful. Being able to use the +5 from the arrows and being able to have the bow seperately should make the quiver cost more. Since the shuriken dont have the bonus of getting extra bonuses when thrown (I havent seen any magical items that you wear to increase effects of shuriken) then it should be costed less. I would have no problem with something that did +1/flaming/icy/sonic/whatever.. so long as it totaled to be +5 or less and ran appropriately in price.. fine by me, but going straight as a conversion I was limiting it to what was already shown in the example.

It may or may not be more clear this time, hopefully more clear though Happy gaming all!

 

[Eltern]

Well what I meant to say was couldn't you have gloves/bracers/braclets/rings that impart abilites onto shuriken, just like a bow? It would take up a slot, yes, so that's a price reduction...

Eltern

 

[Scion]

No idea, sounds really cool. How would it be priced though? What sort of abilities would it be limited to? (would it only work to enchant shuriken that you throw, would it work on any ranged weapon that you have to throw, would it work on melee attacks as well, which enhancements would be legal?)

 

[Pax]

Seriously SERIOUSLY ... go with Daggers. And pick up levelsof Invisible Blade, to do lots of Dagger-wielding hurt even when forced into melee. ^_^

One of the concepts I'm toying with for the Exodus (see SIG), is a Halfling Invisible Blade/Master Thrower, with lots (and lots and lots) of Returning-enhanced daggers.

Invisible Blade is also in CW, and is only a 5-level track. See if you can fit it in, IMO it'd work well for a dagger-using Master Thrower; between them, they nicely cover both angles, melee and ranged. ^_^

 

[Scion]

Chances are that build would still be fun with an item that makes daggers like that one makes arrows..lol.. and those gloves! plus that prc.. I can hear the people shouting broken already..

At some point I shall get money together and buy the complete warrior, sounds like it has tons of good stuff. Would that prc fit with weapon master?