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Rystil Arden
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Okay, I actually don't see it either, but I'm willing to bet it is a typo or omission. I mean, they're humans, right? The book has some awesome flavour, but it is riddled with typos and omissions on the crunch (Life domain is one, and then there's a class that is supposed to take half of its spells from domains, but they forgot to say you were allowed to take spells from domainsunleashed said:
) Possibly the worst part is that it is fully 3.5 compatible except that they accidentally used 3.0 Psionics, which renders much of the Yuan-ti crunch unusable 
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It may well be a typo or omission, but I didn't assume it was wrong just because they don't mirror normal human, mainly because there are a few other minor differences too...so now I'll ask.Rystil Arden said:Okay, I actually don't see it either, but I'm willing to bet it is a typo or omission. I mean, they're humans, right? The book has some awesome flavour, but it is riddled with typos and omissions on the crunch (Life domain is one, and then there's a class that is supposed to take half of its spells from domains, but they forgot to say you were allowed to take spells from domains
Isida, do the human races get +1 skill point per level, as well as the 4 at 1st level?
If it's a typo, it's a very consistant typo, because it's in nearly all the humans and the halflings too I think. And another race or two as well, somewhere. So, I think it's just the extra 4 at 1st level.
Bront
The man with the probe
Isida - Few questions
The concept for Solara, Mistress of the Dawn, is cool, and I've got some great ideas. Problem is, we're getting stumped by the Focuses (which seem... odd at times). So, RA and I were discussing a few options:
First of all, as Currently constructed, she is specializing in Fire and Sun, with Elemental and Defensive focus, which works fine other than the overlap (few fire spells that aren't sun, and vice versa). Also, for the character, specialties that are available after that seem not quite to fit (Air maybe, Protection maybe, Travel maybe, but don't seem quite thematicly correct)
#1) Allow the creation of a new focus: Light. Allowing specialization in Sun, Healing, and Glory domains. Focus power would be Turning Undead, with the Greater power being complete Destruction (Like the Sun domain power), either always or once per day.
Note: We came up with several others, such as Deception, Lore, Rulership, and a few others. We can tweek the powers of the Focus as needed as well.
#2) Allowing the selection of an extra Specialization via a Feat (In my particular case, most likely healing).
Not a lot of Shaper class support stuff out there, so we're doing what we can. I'm realy enjoying this though under any circumstances
The concept for Solara, Mistress of the Dawn, is cool, and I've got some great ideas. Problem is, we're getting stumped by the Focuses (which seem... odd at times). So, RA and I were discussing a few options:
First of all, as Currently constructed, she is specializing in Fire and Sun, with Elemental and Defensive focus, which works fine other than the overlap (few fire spells that aren't sun, and vice versa). Also, for the character, specialties that are available after that seem not quite to fit (Air maybe, Protection maybe, Travel maybe, but don't seem quite thematicly correct)
#1) Allow the creation of a new focus: Light. Allowing specialization in Sun, Healing, and Glory domains. Focus power would be Turning Undead, with the Greater power being complete Destruction (Like the Sun domain power), either always or once per day.
Note: We came up with several others, such as Deception, Lore, Rulership, and a few others. We can tweek the powers of the Focus as needed as well.
#2) Allowing the selection of an extra Specialization via a Feat (In my particular case, most likely healing).
Not a lot of Shaper class support stuff out there, so we're doing what we can. I'm realy enjoying this though under any circumstances
I be liking the new focus and power (with the greater being usable 1/day). Just out of curiosity, what did you come up with for the other foci you were talking about?
Also I'd be up for allowing the Extra Specialization feat.
Also I'd be up for allowing the Extra Specialization feat.
Rystil Arden
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We were just brainstorming:
Lore (for Shapers who focus on Knowledge) could have Magic, Knowledge, Rune
Light (for Shapers who focus on Positive Energy and Light) could have Sun, Healing, Glory, Good (Bront may have forgotten the Good)
Rulership (for Shapers who focus on Command and Leadership) could have Community, Nobility, Law, Glory
Storms (for Shapers with the temper of a Tempest) could have Weather, Air, Travel, Water
Chaosborn (for Shapers who are infused with the energy of pure Xaos) could have Chaos, Liberation, Madness, Charm
Trickster (for Shapers who are aspiring Trickster Gods) could have Charm, Trickery, Chaos, Luck
Lore (for Shapers who focus on Knowledge) could have Magic, Knowledge, Rune
Light (for Shapers who focus on Positive Energy and Light) could have Sun, Healing, Glory, Good (Bront may have forgotten the Good)
Rulership (for Shapers who focus on Command and Leadership) could have Community, Nobility, Law, Glory
Storms (for Shapers with the temper of a Tempest) could have Weather, Air, Travel, Water
Chaosborn (for Shapers who are infused with the energy of pure Xaos) could have Chaos, Liberation, Madness, Charm
Trickster (for Shapers who are aspiring Trickster Gods) could have Charm, Trickery, Chaos, Luck
Bront
The man with the probe
I left off good to be consistant with 3 for the focus, but if Isida is all for allowing Good in there too, I'll take it
Cool. Light and Elemental it is for me
We didn't hack out powers for all of them, though I could see:
Lore: all Knowledge skills as Class skills and allowing their use untrained, later giving either a bonus to all Knowledge skills or bonus to divination spells
Light: Turn Undead, and later, 1 automatic Destruction per day.
Rulership: Inspire Courage (as Bard, but no perform, Lasts 3 rounds + Cha mod) +2 twice per day, and later either doubling followers in Leadership, or Inspire Greatness(as Bard, but no perform, Lasts 3 rounds + Cha mod) twice per day
Storms: Predict Weather, Later Control Weather 1/day
Chaosborn: Not sure
Trickster: Hide, Move Silent, and Bluff as class skills, 1 extra skill point per level (Including 1st), and then either Sneak Attack +2d6 or Hide in Plain Sight
Those were just my thoughts though, hadn't bounced them off anyone yet.
Cool. Light and Elemental it is for me
We didn't hack out powers for all of them, though I could see:
Lore: all Knowledge skills as Class skills and allowing their use untrained, later giving either a bonus to all Knowledge skills or bonus to divination spells
Light: Turn Undead, and later, 1 automatic Destruction per day.
Rulership: Inspire Courage (as Bard, but no perform, Lasts 3 rounds + Cha mod) +2 twice per day, and later either doubling followers in Leadership, or Inspire Greatness(as Bard, but no perform, Lasts 3 rounds + Cha mod) twice per day
Storms: Predict Weather, Later Control Weather 1/day
Chaosborn: Not sure
Trickster: Hide, Move Silent, and Bluff as class skills, 1 extra skill point per level (Including 1st), and then either Sneak Attack +2d6 or Hide in Plain Sight
Those were just my thoughts though, hadn't bounced them off anyone yet.
Rystil Arden
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Some of them do have four though.
You picked the same powers as I would for Weather, and I was thinking of the same lesser powers for Trickster and Lore. I had an idea for a greater power for Trickster where any time there is a divination spell pertaining to you, the caster must make a Caster level check DC 11 + your Shaper Level or else you learn of the effect and may choose what the result is (or to negate it). So if they cast a spell to locate you, you could point them the wrong way, if they try to scry on you, you could make up a false scene, if they try to detect your alignment, you could say Lawful Good, etc.
You picked the same powers as I would for Weather, and I was thinking of the same lesser powers for Trickster and Lore. I had an idea for a greater power for Trickster where any time there is a divination spell pertaining to you, the caster must make a Caster level check DC 11 + your Shaper Level or else you learn of the effect and may choose what the result is (or to negate it). So if they cast a spell to locate you, you could point them the wrong way, if they try to scry on you, you could make up a false scene, if they try to detect your alignment, you could say Lawful Good, etc.
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