Dead as a condition

[DreamChaser]

Hmph. So this means you could target a door made of treant-wood with a magic missile (since the treant-wood is a dead creature), but not a door made of oak-wood with a magic missile (since oak trees are not technically creatures)?

Silliness.
Daniel

no...a door made of treant wood is a manufactured object that just happens to be made from a creature, just like leather armor or a hair wreath.

Egres:
There is a concept you are not seeming to get: Effective scores.
A creature can have a dexterity of 36 and then get paralyzed and have an effective dexterity of 0. The creature's dexterity is still 36 but they cannot use it.

A dead creature could have normal scores and have have 0 effective ratings for all of them: the ability scores still exist, they simply cannot make use of them.

No, a dead creature becomes an object, so that spells that target creatures (such as sleep) aren't wasted by hitting dead things.

Of course, they aren't wasted by hitting vermin either. My description of the dead condition lists them as mindless and thus not valid targets for the sleep spell.

DC

 

[Pielorinho]

no...a door made of treant wood is a manufactured object that just happens to be made from a creature, just like leather armor or a hair wreath.

That's sort of my point: at what point does a body stop being a creature and become a manufactured object? Can I target the dragon's head, mounted on the wall, with magic missile? What about the stuffed bear rearing up on a pedestal next to the dragon? What about the starfish on the shelf? What about the roasted chicken on the spit? What about the roasted fighter in his armor, brought to -50 HP by a fireball?

There's a nice clean distinction between dead and not-dead. There's no such distinction between dead creature and object that used to be creature.

Daniel

 

[Egres]

Ok,i got that part about effective scores.

But tell me:if dead creatures are still creatures,would it be a bad idea to carry with me a dead Sacred Exorcist and benefit from his Consecrated Aura,just to get some advantages against Undeads and Vile damage dealers? (i would just cast Gentle Repose on him from time to time...)

 

[DreamChaser]

Ok,i got that part about effective scores.

But tell me:if dead creatures are still creatures,would it be a bad idea to carry with me a dead Sacred Exorcist and benefit from his Consecrated Aura,just to get some advantages against Undeads and Vile damage dealers? (i would just cast Gentle Repose on him from time to time...)

Alright. I see you point. There are some issues to iron out.

I could just say that "looses all supernatural and spell-like abilities" is part of dead but I'd have no rules backing for that.

Of course, as the Jug thread has shown, there are a number of spells and abilities that become absurd, suspect, or worthless if a dead creature is an object...unless of course it is both with would drive the rules-lawyers crazy.

DC

it's late...I'll think on this and post more tomorrow.