Defining its own Mythology


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PeterWeller said:
But isn't that the point? Conan strangled his fair share of demons.

Are we talking about the REH stories, or the stuff other people put out later? Because they are different animals. Moreover, I could certainly create Howardesque "demons" using templates in 3e that our "Conan" could handle.

Bard killed Smaug. Fahfrd and the Grey Mouser killed a whole variety of spooky otherworldly demons and giant Newhonian monstrosities.

Neither of these took place in really low-magic worlds. Also, the Grey Mouser couldn't be a PC in our example world. Nor could the dwarves in The Hobbit.

Beowulf didn't have too much trouble beating the snot out of Grendel, his mother, and the Dragon. There's a whole lot of low magic right there that isn't easily emulated, even with your house rules.

Beowulf, as the highest level fighter (barbarian) around, had trouble with Grendel's mother, and the dragon killed him. :uhoh:


RC
 

Raven Crowking said:
Are we talking about the REH stories, or the stuff other people put out later? Because they are different animals. Moreover, I could certainly create Howardesque "demons" using templates in 3e that our "Conan" could handle.

Howard stuff. I would put a lot of those demons on the level of Baalors and the like.


Neither of these took place in really low-magic worlds. Also, the Grey Mouser couldn't be a PC in our example world. Nor could the dwarves in The Hobbit.

They're pretty low magic compared to standard D&D. Newhon less so than Middle Earth. Also, why couldn't Mouser or the Dwarfs be PCs?


Beowulf, as the highest level fighter (barbarian) around, had trouble with Grendel's mother, and the dragon killed him. :uhoh:


RC

My point was he still killed all of them, and felt he had a reasonable chance of success. (Well, probably not against the dragon.)
 

PeterWeller said:
I think everyone would like that, but you are getting a greater range of races in the PHB.

Ones I don't want, half-demons and dragon people, at the expense of ones I do, gnomes. I really didnt start the conversation regarding quantity, that just sort of drifted in from some where. :)
 


AWizardInDallas said:
Ones I don't want, half-demons and dragon people, at the expense of ones I do, gnomes. I really didnt start the conversation regarding quantity, that just sort of drifted in from some where. :)
And you'll have your gnomes: in the MM, which is core.

There'll be a plethora of races statted up for PCs in the MM. They'll have to dedicate several pages to them, given that 4e Races have abilities that correspond with levels. It won't be a two line foot note underneath the monster.
 


PeterWeller said:
Howard stuff. I would put a lot of those demons on the level of Baalors and the like.

I think you could use a refresher on your Howard. :confused: Pick any one demon, and we'll see exactly what it can do in terms of D&D 3e.

They're pretty low magic compared to standard D&D. Newhon less so than Middle Earth. Also, why couldn't Mouser or the Dwarfs be PCs?

But not low magic in the terms of "no more than 1 magic item per PC, no PC spellcasters". The Grey Mouser and the dwarves are, I am afraid, spellcasters.

My point was he still killed all of them, and felt he had a reasonable chance of success. (Well, probably not against the dragon.)

So, Grendel in our example would be CR 3, Grendel's mother CR 5, and the Dragon CR 7. Are you suggesting that this would be impossible?

RC
 


AWizardInDallas said:
One would have to like the system. Nice try though. :)

The your argument isn't "This version of D&D isn't as flexible as other versions of D&D" but instead is "I don't like this version of D&D"

Which is, I guess, fair. I don't like AD&D, you reckon you won't like 4e.

Because what people are saying about 4e vs 3.5 (or AD&D) is that 3.5 is ... like 5 on the flexibilty scale but 4e looks like it will be 3 or even 2. Much less flexible.

Hero, or Tri-stat, or GURPS is (IMHO) 300 on the flexibility scale.

Compared to 'designed to be generic systems' no D&D system is flexible and generic. They are all D&D.
 

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