Dragongirl
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I like demon, devil and celestial as the generic terms. For me, as has already been stated, Angels are just a type of celestial. Never did understand what a daemon was, what is that?
Demons, devils and Celestials?
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Alzrius
The EN World kitten
"daemon" was the 1E term that was later converted to Yugoloth. As I noted, it was odd that unlike Tanar'ri/Demons and Baatezu/Devils, that corollary of names never came back to haunt the Yugoloths in any later edition (Necromancer Games's Tome of Horrors notwithstanding).
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I'm A Banana
Potassium-Rich
"Angels" actually, IIRC, hasn't really been a term for anything in D&D, at least not mechanically (maybe as a nickname or something). The LG inhabitants of Mt. Celestia are Archons (though they follow the Angelic Heirarcies pretty closely).
I like Demon and Devil as they are in 3e...but I must say I don't like Daemon. Because it's too...well, it's too close to Demon. If you're going to name the 'loths something else, name them something distinctive IMHO.
I like Demon and Devil as they are in 3e...but I must say I don't like Daemon. Because it's too...well, it's too close to Demon. If you're going to name the 'loths something else, name them something distinctive IMHO.
Dragongirl
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Ah thanks. I never got Tome of Horrors, though someone was supposed to send me one.Alzrius said:
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
Sniktch said:
Well, it was a bit more specific than that. Yugoloths/Daemons are technically native to Hades/the Grey Waste, but eons ago moved over to Gehenna, and are now curiously somewhat native to both planes. But nowhere else (though they are active on other planes).
Kamikaze Midget is right though, nowhere have the Archons of Mt. Celestia/the Seven Heavens actually been called Angels, but its pretty well understood, since they mirror real-world theology about the angelic choirs, and some of the D&D Archon NPCs are named after theological Angels.
And finally, lets all be very, very thankful that no one in this thread has brought up the Gehreleths/Demodands that make their home on Carceri/Tarterus.
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EvilMountainDew
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Daemon
I interpret Daemon to be a more powerful Lower Plane Being... this is theologically speaking. So as of DnD Alzrius is correct, but IRL it would be a lower plane being that is higher on the totem pole.
I interpret Daemon to be a more powerful Lower Plane Being... this is theologically speaking. So as of DnD Alzrius is correct, but IRL it would be a lower plane being that is higher on the totem pole.
Kobold Avenger
Legend
I on the other hand would go around confusing people by using the term angel to describe anything that's an incarnation of force on the outer planes (good, evil, chaos, law) an Angel. The term angel applies equally to all fiend, celestials and everything in between.
Daemon is also a word I'd use to mean the same thing. However some people went and used the terms Cacodaemon to refer to the evil ones and Agathodaemon to refer to the good ones. And Daemon by itself can describe a Tanar'i, Archon, Aasimon, Baatezu, Guardinal, Eladrin, Yugoloth, Slaad, Modron, Rilmani or whatever else.
Demons can be also be called Angels of the Abyss, much like Devils can be called Angels of the Nine Hells, or the Pit, or whatever. And a Daemon of Celestia would be an Archon.
Daemon is also a word I'd use to mean the same thing. However some people went and used the terms Cacodaemon to refer to the evil ones and Agathodaemon to refer to the good ones. And Daemon by itself can describe a Tanar'i, Archon, Aasimon, Baatezu, Guardinal, Eladrin, Yugoloth, Slaad, Modron, Rilmani or whatever else.
Demons can be also be called Angels of the Abyss, much like Devils can be called Angels of the Nine Hells, or the Pit, or whatever. And a Daemon of Celestia would be an Archon.
s/LaSH
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Oxford says this:
Just for reference, the archangels rank below the principalitites (7), who are below the powers (6), who are below the virtues (5), who are below the dominations, who are below the thrones, who are below the cherubim (2, and whose wings made the throne of God), who are below the seraphim, gifted with love and associated with light, ardour and purity. According to OED again, that is.
So by that definition, angel is but a rank on the 'ninefold celestial heirachy'. So you could technically refer to certain celestials as being not angels, and celestial is a good term as a bracket for good outsiders (all these terms apparently fall in the service of Heaven). It gets a little hairy when you realise that just about any outsider counts as an angel under the first definition, however. I'd probably use the subset rather than the metaset definition, just because angel is so often associated with divine powers rather than infernal or neutral ones.
And I banged my finger with the dictionary, so it hurts. Good thing this one's in two volumes, or I might have broken something.
Just for reference, the archangels rank below the principalitites (7), who are below the powers (6), who are below the virtues (5), who are below the dominations, who are below the thrones, who are below the cherubim (2, and whose wings made the throne of God), who are below the seraphim, gifted with love and associated with light, ardour and purity. According to OED again, that is.
So by that definition, angel is but a rank on the 'ninefold celestial heirachy'. So you could technically refer to certain celestials as being not angels, and celestial is a good term as a bracket for good outsiders (all these terms apparently fall in the service of Heaven). It gets a little hairy when you realise that just about any outsider counts as an angel under the first definition, however. I'd probably use the subset rather than the metaset definition, just because angel is so often associated with divine powers rather than infernal or neutral ones.
And I banged my finger with the dictionary, so it hurts. Good thing this one's in two volumes, or I might have broken something.
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