digital insider: Monk in PH3, playtest in May

It was suggested at NY Comicon in a passing comment by one of the R&D guys that the Monk could be a martial controller. I leave the greater implications of that for others.

Love it. Mostly because I don't see why a whole Ki power source is necessary. What other opportunities does that open up for classes that people are really excited about? I'd be great for them to finish up the Martial classes by making them a Martial Controller, and then allot more resources to other, more desirable power sources, like psionics, or something else.

I suppose Elemental would be cool, but I don't see it likely that they'll stick to that, considering sorcerer was their big opportunity to introduce such a theme. Shadow might be nice, I suppose. I only see Ki as being very viable if they wanted to bring back an Oriental-Adventures-style campaign setting. Which, in all honesty, might be pretty interesting...
 

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My big question about a Ki power source is what else can you do besides Monk? Some suggest Ninja, but I'm not sure how that isn't martial or potentially shadow? What other classes can you put into this power source and how do they work?

I know they already said something about it, but I think ditching the Ki class and reflavoring the monk (whatever role) as Martial wouldn't bug me too much unless I'm shown the light about what Ki really means.
 

I can see a few potential uses.

Samurai using ki shouts to stun their enemies with a mighty slash, lighting duels with bonuses to iniative, etc...
 

My big question about a Ki power source is what else can you do besides Monk? Some suggest Ninja, but I'm not sure how that isn't martial or potentially shadow?
Ninja are about more than just "I disappear". Ninja were said to have clairvoyant powers. In addition, there are various "Death Touch" techniques. Think of something like the "Quivering Palm" of the 3e Monk.

Basically, any instance where you could take a normal Rogue, and say, "Let's make this beyond the realm of physical possibility. Dial this sucka up to 11."

If you need any further idea, look no further than: Ninja Scroll or Basilisk. The anime are full of ninja with thematic superpowers.

What other classes can you put into this power source and how do they work?
Samurai. "But Samurai is just a fighter!" Look at the OA samurai, and the one in Complete Warrior.

Shugejena or however it's spelled.
 

My big question about a Ki power source is what else can you do besides Monk? Some suggest Ninja, but I'm not sure how that isn't martial or potentially shadow? What other classes can you put into this power source and how do they work?

I know they already said something about it, but I think ditching the Ki class and reflavoring the monk (whatever role) as Martial wouldn't bug me too much unless I'm shown the light about what Ki really means.
Ki works as something that is a lot like Martial (as in it is heavily linked to training and weapon use), but much, much more flashy. Where a Martial character would use strength, technique, and strategy in order to deliver a solid blow with a sword, a Ki character would move faster than the blink of an eye and release an energy shockwave from a sword instead. Basically, Ki is Martial with added energy blasts and the plausibility limiters removed. For example, I don't think there is a single Martial class (or even a class at all) that has a Close Blast 5 Weapon power, but such an attack would be fairly normal for a Ki character, especially if WotC was serious about emulating Hong Kong martial arts films and Japanese videogames and anime.

As for classes...

The Ninja is not going to be Martial simply because it would be impossible to differentiate it from the Rogue in such a role. The Rogue is already stealthy enough, can pull off a ninja vanishing trick, can double jump, and gets a bonus for using shuriken, after all. :) If we are going to see a dedicated Ninja class, it is probably going to be much more fantastic (and probably would involve breathing fire, walking on water, illusions, and summoning giant frogs). If anything, I am hoping that the Ninja is going to be Elemental, rather than Ki, because I don't think it is necessarily a good match for Ki.

I can easily imagine a Ki Swordsage/Samurai class, built around high-speed movement, iaijutsu attacks, blade shockwaves, area-effect sword attacks (like the previously mentioned Close Blast 5 Weapon power), and other such flashy and over-the-top feats often associated with characters of folklore and anime.

Honestly, I think they could probably create a fairly respectable number of classes simply by elaborating a number of different supernatural fighting styles, and bringing them together based on concept. For example, a pure barehanded "Monk" class that uses throws and Ki-blasts, a more weapon focused "monk" class that uses staff and spear-based fighting techniques (give it more of a Chinese/Romance of the Three Kingdoms flair, possibly), a "dancer" that uses unusual weapons like fans and light weapons like knifes in order to confuse opponents, a class that can debilitate a foe with a single touch, etc. So long as these classes are distinct and have a supernatural edge, they can be very different from Martial classes and remain quite unique.

Actually, another good class that could easily be Ki is the old 3.5E Soulknife class. It was never a great fit for psionics, but I think it would work with Ki very well.
 

Well, we already have a martial controller: it's called the Fighter.

I definitely think the Ki power source is in the works, and I see it breaking down as such:

Monk: Ki Striker

Wis primary, Con and Dex secondary

Shugenja: Ki Leader

Cha primary, Wis and Int secondary

Samurai: Ki Defender

Str primary, Wis and Con secondary

Wu-Jen: Ki Controller

Wis primary, Cha and Int secondary

The Ninja will probably be another Ki Striker, and will be released in a "We can't afford to do a book on it so here's a big ol' article on Dragon" which will cover Oriental Adventures-ish stuff. Then, all five will see love from the Ki Power sourcebook.

And if there's no Ninja, as TwinBahamut mentioned, the Rogue is pretty much a Ninja who doesn't take himself as seriously. ;)
 

Well, we already have a martial controller: it's called the Fighter.

I definitely think the Ki power source is in the works, and I see it breaking down as such:

Monk: Ki Striker

Wis primary, Con and Dex secondary

Shugenja: Ki Leader

Cha primary, Wis and Int secondary

Samurai: Ki Defender

Str primary, Wis and Con secondary

Wu-Jen: Ki Controller

I bet Shugenja and Wu-Jen is Elemental though.

My prediction? PH3 has 4 Ki, 2 psionic, and 2 elemental.
Monk and Ninja - Striker
Samurai - Defender
??? - Leader

Then elemental leaders and controllers
and psionic leader and controllers?
 

Well, we already have a martial controller: it's called the Fighter.
Err... Huh? This doesn't make any sense...

I definitely think the Ki power source is in the works, and I see it breaking down as such:

Monk: Ki Striker

Wis primary, Con and Dex secondary

Shugenja: Ki Leader

Cha primary, Wis and Int secondary

Samurai: Ki Defender

Str primary, Wis and Con secondary

Wu-Jen: Ki Controller

Wis primary, Cha and Int secondary

The Ninja will probably be another Ki Striker, and will be released in a "We can't afford to do a book on it so here's a big ol' article on Dragon" which will cover Oriental Adventures-ish stuff. Then, all five will see love from the Ki Power sourcebook.
I really doubt that the Wu Jen and Shugenja are going to be Ki. They are practically Arcane or Divine, and are much more likely to be the basis for the Elemental Power Source, considering that they are among the few classes to be explicitly constructed around a system of elements (the only other that I can think of is the variant 3.5E Ninja styles from Dragon magazine).

And if there's no Ninja, as TwinBahamut mentioned, the Rogue is pretty much a Ninja who doesn't take himself as seriously. ;)
Even if it is not in the PHB3, I am certain that there will be a Ninja class in one of the Player Handbooks. Ninja are just too popular. There is no way that anything is going to beat one of them out for a prominent class spot.
 


RefinedBean said:
Well, we already have a martial controller: it's called the Fighter.

Err... Huh? This doesn't make any sense...

In practice I think it does - I've been calling the fighter a 'martial controller' for a long time now - because more than any other class it dictates what the bad guys can and cannot do during a fight. The fighters stickyness is like superglue - very hard for enemies to get detached and go and do what they want to do. Bad enough in open ground, in dungeon settings the fighter has a 'zone of control' that allows THEM to determine what options the other guys have.

Controlling the battlefield? They do it all day, every day, without using any powers - just their class features.

(nb, I wonder what degree of 'control' wizards can manage without using any powers and only relying on their class features...)

Cheers
 

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