Diluted d20, just add rules

[DungeonKeeperUK]

I'm seeing a lot of companies useing the d20 logo but adding/chagnig rules to go with their won system..
D20 modern, Mongooses Judge Dredd, CoC.. to name a few.. now I don't really have a problem with it, but as a system that was kinda going to be universal and pick up and play, its becoming pick up and check which varioation of the rules you going to play...

Just wanted other peoples thoughts on this..
Cheers

 

[UD]

I think its acceptable, because no matter how generic you make rules they will always need changes/additions to make them more suitable for there setting.

Anyway Im a big fan of diversity in the rpg market. As good as it is to see d20 thriving, I dont want it to wipe out other systems... Remember diversity is the spice of life.

 

[Lady Dragon]

The probem I used to have before D20 was every time you change games you drastically changed rules.Now that we have D20 we don't have to do that anymore.

We have one basic set of rule with a certain amount of changes for each new game which makes learning new systems less intimidating especially for new gamers.And anything which is easier for new players is good for the industry.

In fact I'd like to see more of the existing non-D20 RPG's make the change like Legend of the five rings/Rokukan have.If that happened I might just Buy some of them currently I'm exclusive in D20 mostly because I can only afford so much and I made a desicion on thatto avoid temtation.

Another good thing About D20 is I makes converting thing from different D20 games easier to convert into your system.

Eventually I think there will only be a certain number of version out Fantasy,sci-fi,modern etc.With serveral convertable versions of each.

 

[DungeonKeeperUK]

I agree, diversity is the spice of life, just ask my wife about out spare room taken up with all my RPG/Board games... and its what will keep the d20 market lievly I think.
And of course it has to happen the rules set out by d20 for fantasy may very well be constrictve when related to modern day or sci-fi say..

Was just wondering what other people thought about ti..

 

[Desdichado]

DungeonKeeperUK:
I'm seeing a lot of companies useing the d20 logo but adding/chagnig rules to go with their won system..
D20 modern, Mongooses Judge Dredd, CoC.. to name a few.. now I don't really have a problem with it, but as a system that was kinda going to be universal and pick up and play, its becoming pick up and check which varioation of the rules you going to play...

But d20 isn't universal, as presented in D&D, at least. I think the vision for d20 was never that One System will Rule them All, merely that one basic mechanic is the core of the system, and that the sysem is somewhat modular: optional rules to be added or deleted as the setting requires.

Besides, on your "check with variation of the rules you are going to play" complaint: it's like that every time I sit down with a group anyway. I've never yet played a game without house rules.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

I just hope every new game doesn't go D20...

 

[Desdichado]

Flexor the Mighty!:
I just hope every new game doesn't go D20...

I've long since passed the point where I'm interested in learning new systems. Give me a system that is sufficiently flexible, tweak it for each campaign need, and I'm good to go.

 

[Crothian]

I see it as no different the the House Rules people use. Each game now comes packaged withit's own slected brand of House Rules. It adds flavor and I like it. It's better then learning a different system for each game. I hated that, not because the systems were difficult, but they ussually were not good. I've played so many games with great ideas, and great settings, but crappy mechanics. Now, we have mechanics (d20) that are good. I'm happy that many games are based on d20. It also helps the new people who would be confused by learning a lot of different syste,ms and the old people who are sick and tired of learning new systems.

 

[mhensley]

I think it would be better if WOTC produced a generic D20 rulebook that could be used as the base rules for any genre- sort of like the Gurps basic rules. Make it so that all of the rule systems are modular enough to replace easily when needed for more atmosphere, realism, whatever. Then D&D, Star Wars, CoC would all just be source books with additional rules and flavor.

 

[UD]

Your missing the point. Just because you like d20 dosn't mean everyone does.[This sounds mre bitchy than I indended it to be, sorry]. Sometimes you dont want to play with levels, or classes. Sometimes, d20 isn't realistic enougth. Sometimes you want to play a different system because you play d20 so much. etc.

d20 isn't the be-all and end-all of gaming, as versatile as it is in't will never and can never cater for everyones tastes.