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Discuss:Chruch of Wee Jas... Anti or Pro Undead
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I would see Wee Jas as being partial towards magically created undead such as mummies and liches, and opposed to self-spawning undead such as vampires and ghouls. Her granting of the Death domain spells which create undead could be seen as her granting her worshipper with the body/soul of the departed for a short time before it goes to her to be judged. The postponement of true death is acceptable as long as it furthers her goals.
It would be interesting to see a LG Paladin and a LE Necromancer working together on a divine mission from their lady.
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It would be interesting to see a LG Paladin and a LE Necromancer working together on a divine mission from their lady.
~hf
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My personal view on things:
Unintelligent Undead (Skeletons, Zombies): They're tools. The soul that was once resident in them is gone on to whatever fate awaits it, and these type of undead are little more than automatons that convienantly already are built with locomotion in mind. I could easily see the church of Wee Jas using these type of undead as cheap labor or protectors, but by the same token also imagine they would dress them up somewhat - funeral bindings and an unadorned grey hooded robe. Partly out of respect for the former vessel, partly in difference to those members of the community that the temple resides in that would be uncomfortable around undead, and partly due to practicality. Zombies dropping chunks of rotting flesh all over the place would get really unpleasant really fast.
Intelligent, Unwillingly Created, Malevolent Undead (Ghouls, Wights, Specters, etc): Two views - they're being punished for something horrible they did in life; generally the realm of those undead that spontaneously manifest after the original person dies on their own... or they're abominations. The second generally being the case when a normal person is pulled into the accursed state by an existing undead, or some foul and unprincipled spellcaster creates these undead via spell from the remains of some innocent. In either case - destroy them. If they're being punished, the destruction of their soul (...can't be raised once having been undead, after all) would be the completion of their punishment, or the cleansing of their blight upon existance. Rarely... and I do mean very rarely, I could see the Church punishing someone who was a heinous transgressor by making them into one of these kind of undead, but I do not see them letting the creature roam free once transformed. Locked in an iron coffin, bound in consecrated burial bindings and interred well under sacred ground, trapped and contained... yes. Free, definitly no.
Intelligent, Unwillingly Created, Non-Malevolent Undead (some Ghosts, Revenants, etc): Victims, by and large, trapped outside the doorway of their eternal rest by cruel circumstance. Ideally, the church would endevor to set things right for these undead so they can go on to the afterlife and stop being something that isn't supposed to be around.
Intelligent, Willingly Created Undead (Liches, etc): These people who decided to give up the hereafter in exchange for an indefinitly longer stay in the material world made a choice to do so. And like most choices of that magnitude, there are reprocussions; no raise dead. If they're destroyed, that's it - game over, barring powerful ressurection magics that can re-create a soul from damaged leftover fragments (ie ressurection or true ressurection). And even then they'd be living again... not undead as they were before. And it would be doubtful that the church of Wee Jas would be the provider of said magics. But hey, it was their choice to begin with... they knew what they were getting into. *shrug*
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Unintelligent Undead (Skeletons, Zombies): They're tools. The soul that was once resident in them is gone on to whatever fate awaits it, and these type of undead are little more than automatons that convienantly already are built with locomotion in mind. I could easily see the church of Wee Jas using these type of undead as cheap labor or protectors, but by the same token also imagine they would dress them up somewhat - funeral bindings and an unadorned grey hooded robe. Partly out of respect for the former vessel, partly in difference to those members of the community that the temple resides in that would be uncomfortable around undead, and partly due to practicality. Zombies dropping chunks of rotting flesh all over the place would get really unpleasant really fast.
Intelligent, Unwillingly Created, Malevolent Undead (Ghouls, Wights, Specters, etc): Two views - they're being punished for something horrible they did in life; generally the realm of those undead that spontaneously manifest after the original person dies on their own... or they're abominations. The second generally being the case when a normal person is pulled into the accursed state by an existing undead, or some foul and unprincipled spellcaster creates these undead via spell from the remains of some innocent. In either case - destroy them. If they're being punished, the destruction of their soul (...can't be raised once having been undead, after all) would be the completion of their punishment, or the cleansing of their blight upon existance. Rarely... and I do mean very rarely, I could see the Church punishing someone who was a heinous transgressor by making them into one of these kind of undead, but I do not see them letting the creature roam free once transformed. Locked in an iron coffin, bound in consecrated burial bindings and interred well under sacred ground, trapped and contained... yes. Free, definitly no.
Intelligent, Unwillingly Created, Non-Malevolent Undead (some Ghosts, Revenants, etc): Victims, by and large, trapped outside the doorway of their eternal rest by cruel circumstance. Ideally, the church would endevor to set things right for these undead so they can go on to the afterlife and stop being something that isn't supposed to be around.
Intelligent, Willingly Created Undead (Liches, etc): These people who decided to give up the hereafter in exchange for an indefinitly longer stay in the material world made a choice to do so. And like most choices of that magnitude, there are reprocussions; no raise dead. If they're destroyed, that's it - game over, barring powerful ressurection magics that can re-create a soul from damaged leftover fragments (ie ressurection or true ressurection). And even then they'd be living again... not undead as they were before. And it would be doubtful that the church of Wee Jas would be the provider of said magics. But hey, it was their choice to begin with... they knew what they were getting into. *shrug*
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I'd say Wee Jas was the Sueloise Hel as Kord is Thor. Baron Samedi is another analogy. As goddess of death & the underworld I don't think she _hates_ undead - after all, Jas clerics specifically _control_ undead rather than turn/destroy them. They probably think the dead by and large belong in Wee Jas' realm and not roaming the Oerth though.
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There are several good articles about Wee Jas and her faith on www.canonfire.com.
Hit the search engine and type in "wee jas" sans quotation marks, and you'll see the 38 articles that mention her faith
Hit the search engine and type in "wee jas" sans quotation marks, and you'll see the 38 articles that mention her faith
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