Displacement - a bit wussy eh? Mirror image too...

[Plane Sailing]

That's why I said would change it, but didn't mention any specific change- I'd LOVE to find an elegant distinction to those two. The closest I have is "any reflex attack that targets a singe creature," which is passable, I suppose.

It will be interesting to see if they have a clear distinction between "targeted attacks" and "attacks" in that while a magic missile would be a targeted attack against your Reflex defence, an arrow would be a targeted attack against your AC defence, a fierey burst spell would be just an attack against your reflex defence.

i.e. distinguish between being specifically targetted and "just in the area of effect of".

If they did, then something like mirror image (and indeed, displacement) could be nicely defined as protecting against anything that specifically targeted someone, rather than area affect 'attacks'.

Cheers

 

[Falling Icicle]

It will be interesting to see if they have a clear distinction between "targeted attacks" and "attacks" in that while a magic missile would be a targeted attack against your Reflex defence, an arrow would be a targeted attack against your AC defence, a fierey burst spell would be just an attack against your reflex defence.

i.e. distinguish between being specifically targetted and "just in the area of effect of".

If they did, then something like mirror image (and indeed, displacement) could be nicely defined as protecting against anything that specifically targeted someone, rather than area affect 'attacks'.

Agreed. It'd be quite silly (IMHO) for Mirror Image to protect against thigs like fireball.

 

[hong]

Mirror image has always caused problems. Witness the irregular threads that pop(ped) up in the Rules forum on how to handle it. Just ban it and create a new defensive spell in its stead, I say.

 

[Falling Icicle]

Mirror image has always caused problems. Witness the irregular threads that pop(ped) up in the Rules forum on how to handle it. Just ban it and create a new defensive spell in its stead, I say.

Mirror Image Wizard Utility 10
Three duplicate images of you appear, imitating your actions perfectly and confusing your enemies.
Daily * Arcane, Illusion
Minor Action Personal
Effect: Three duplicate images of yourself appear in your space, and you gain a +6 power bonus to AC and Reflex defense. This bonus does not apply to area attacks. Each time a non-area attack misses your AC or Reflex defense (but would have hit you without the power bonus from this spell), one of your duplicate images disappears and the bonus granted by this power decreases by 2. When the bonus reaches 0, all your images are gone and the power ends. Otherwise, the effect lasts for 1 hour.

There, fixed. That wasn't so hard.

 

[KarinsDad]

Mirror image has always caused problems. Witness the irregular threads that pop(ped) up in the Rules forum on how to handle it. Just ban it and create a new defensive spell in its stead, I say.

Mirror Image was not a problem until 3E came out with it's plethora of rules for every situation.

In 1E/2E, the only problem with Mirror Image was that the spell did not state what the AC of the images were (everyone just assumed it was the same as the caster).

 

[Campbell]

It will be interesting to see if they have a clear distinction between "targeted attacks" and "attacks" in that while a magic missile would be a targeted attack against your Reflex defence, an arrow would be a targeted attack against your AC defence, a fierey burst spell would be just an attack against your reflex defence.

i.e. distinguish between being specifically targetted and "just in the area of effect of".

If they did, then something like mirror image (and indeed, displacement) could be nicely defined as protecting against anything that specifically targeted someone, rather than area affect 'attacks'.

Cheers

It looks like that's exactly what the language on Displacement does.

 

[small pumpkin man]

It will be interesting to see if they have a clear distinction between "targeted attacks" and "attacks" in that while a magic missile would be a targeted attack against your Reflex defence, an arrow would be a targeted attack against your AC defence, a fierey burst spell would be just an attack against your reflex defence.

i.e. distinguish between being specifically targetted and "just in the area of effect of".

If they did, then something like mirror image (and indeed, displacement) could be nicely defined as protecting against anything that specifically targeted someone, rather than area affect 'attacks'.

Cheers

If you look at the Minis rules, it specifically gives names and symbols for melee, ranged, close and whatever fireball is. The monsters use those symbols, and the powers (eg, Displacement) we've seen use those terms. The mechanics already exist, they just chose not to use them.

 

[keterys]

Mirror Image Wizard Utility 10
Three duplicate images of you appear, imitating your actions perfectly and confusing your enemies.
Daily * Arcane, Illusion
Minor Action Personal
Effect: Three duplicate images of yourself appear in your space, and you gain a +6 power bonus to AC and Reflex defense. This bonus does not apply to area attacks. Each time a non-area attack misses your AC or Reflex defense (but would have hit you without the power bonus from this spell), one of your duplicate images disappears and the bonus granted by this power decreases by 2. When the bonus reaches 0, all your images are gone and the power ends. Otherwise, the effect lasts for 1 hour.

There, fixed. That wasn't so hard.

Area is a game term, but so are 'close' effects like bursts and blasts. Further, a perfectly decent attack for mirror image to work against might go against Fortitude or Will.

Your version is much more powerful than the one in the book and requires more tracking (would it have hit me without)... so, I'm not sure that I'd consider that fixed.

Personally, I'd have gone for:

Effect: You gain a +6 power bonus to all defenses against melee and ranged attacks. After each melee or ranged attack made against you, decrease this bonus by 1. When the bonus reaches 0, all your images are gone and the power ends. Otherwise, the effect lasts for 1 hour.

And tweaked the number (maybe +5 is better...) until it was right for its level.

 

[HeinorNY]

I wonder how MIrror Image works when an attack targets the Wizards Reflex Defense instead of his AC. What if a Warlock attacks the Wizards with an Eldritch Bolt, how does MIrror Image help the Wizard? What if the Warlock uses Ray of Frost, against the Wizard's Fortitude defense?

If AC is the "armored' version of Reflex, how can holograms increase AC?

 

[Imban]

If AC is the "armored' version of Reflex, how can holograms increase AC?

It's not. It's possible to have a higher Reflex than AC, from previews we've seen. Defenses, and attacking a defense, are just random numbers that don't really correspond to any specific game reality.