Son_of_Thunder
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Disturbed Individual With Sword(OT)
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That is horrible and very sad. Schizophrenia is not something to be laughed about or taken lightly. Recently this year, I had a friend have a schizophrenic breakdown over the course of a week. He was a fellow resident in my University dorm and had been for 3 years. Ill tell you what though....the last night at 4:30am in the morning when he went on a rampage screaming about his duty to the CIA and the UN - and the 10 police officers trying to subdue him (he thought they were military men).....I have never been more scared in my life.
Its too bad that guy went on his rampage in the supermarket as he was obviously not being monitored effectively, in terms of his medication etc.
Truly is a sad thing,
Its too bad that guy went on his rampage in the supermarket as he was obviously not being monitored effectively, in terms of his medication etc.
Truly is a sad thing,
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That's very sad...
So what actually happened?
I don't know the facts here, but my first reaction when reading the article was "He had a sword, and the cops had guns. Couldn't they have "shot and wounded" him? Shot and incapacitated him? Instead was "shot and killed". I only mention this because in our neck of the woods recently, there was also a dangerous lunatic swinging a sword around. He was brought down without a shot being fired.
Was this guy really so out of control that they couldn't do that? Maybe he was, and if that is the case, fine. but it makes me sad that that some less lethal way wasn't found. Yes, I acknowledge that it is very sad that he killed three people. It's just a shame that the tragedy was compounded.
So what actually happened?
I don't know the facts here, but my first reaction when reading the article was "He had a sword, and the cops had guns. Couldn't they have "shot and wounded" him? Shot and incapacitated him? Instead was "shot and killed". I only mention this because in our neck of the woods recently, there was also a dangerous lunatic swinging a sword around. He was brought down without a shot being fired.
Was this guy really so out of control that they couldn't do that? Maybe he was, and if that is the case, fine. but it makes me sad that that some less lethal way wasn't found. Yes, I acknowledge that it is very sad that he killed three people. It's just a shame that the tragedy was compounded.
NoOneofConsequence
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Re: That's very sad...
I'm willing to be corrected by those with greater knowledge, but my understanding is that when confronted with armed individuals the FBI counsels that officers should immediately commence fire if the individual comes within ten feet of them, since once within the ten feet threshold you're massively unlikely to be able to react to an attack before lethal damage can be done.
Also, aren't officers trained to shoot for the largest mass, ie the body?
These may have been issues in the scenario that haven't been made clear.
Nonetheless, this is a sad incident.
spunkrat said:
I'm willing to be corrected by those with greater knowledge, but my understanding is that when confronted with armed individuals the FBI counsels that officers should immediately commence fire if the individual comes within ten feet of them, since once within the ten feet threshold you're massively unlikely to be able to react to an attack before lethal damage can be done.
Also, aren't officers trained to shoot for the largest mass, ie the body?
These may have been issues in the scenario that haven't been made clear.
Nonetheless, this is a sad incident.
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Angcuru
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I know a whole lot of people won't like hearing this. But the guy KILLED THREE PEOPLE. Three people with families. Three people with mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, and friends. All of whom have just had a loved one ripped away from them suddenly and violently. I feel NO remorse WHATSOEVER for this guy. Sure, he was a schizophrenic and would have most likely lived a normal life otherwise, but the fact still remains that he killed three people in an unprovoked act of violence. The guy should never have been able to have access to a SWORD in the first place. SWORD + Sever Schizophrenic = DANGER.
I feel very sorry for the victims and their families, but as for the attacker, I could not care less. He destroyed many lives and brought sever anguish to many others in those few minutes. I don't blame those police officers for using lethal force. I don't care who you are, if you see someone moving towards you holding a katana dripping in human blood, you shoot to kill.
I don't believe that he would have a past in gaming as well. Because a) If he had a past in gaming, people like Jack Chick would be all over this story like bees on honey, and b) the man was a sever schizophrenic, and I can't imagine any group tolerating that degree of mental illness in a player for very long. Perhaps he was interested in gaming-related subjects, but I doubt he was a gamer himself.
I feel very sorry for the victims and their families, but as for the attacker, I could not care less. He destroyed many lives and brought sever anguish to many others in those few minutes. I don't blame those police officers for using lethal force. I don't care who you are, if you see someone moving towards you holding a katana dripping in human blood, you shoot to kill.
I don't believe that he would have a past in gaming as well. Because a) If he had a past in gaming, people like Jack Chick would be all over this story like bees on honey, and b) the man was a sever schizophrenic, and I can't imagine any group tolerating that degree of mental illness in a player for very long. Perhaps he was interested in gaming-related subjects, but I doubt he was a gamer himself.
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Correct. And, like a cop friend of mine has commented: "My son needs a father and my wife needs a husband. I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six."
Police work is a tough job, to put it mildly.
Very true. It is quite sad.
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Correct. And, like a cop friend of mine has commented: "My son needs a father and my wife needs a husband. I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six."
Police work is a tough job, to put it mildly.
NoOneofConsequence said:Nonetheless, this is a sad incident.
Very true. It is quite sad.
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Angcuru said:
I have no problem with the officer's actions, as they stand, but the man at the centre of this acted neither out of evil, nor discernible malice - he did it because he was suffering from a mental illness. This does not excuse his actions but neither does it mean that his family won't experience remorse, that the loss of his life is not a tragedy. Human beings are valuable in their own right, and they remain valuable regardless of what they do. I haven't forgotten the victims, I just mourn for the victimology of the perpetrator as well.
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Shadowdancer
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Re: That's very sad...
In the third paragraph of the story it says the man confronted an officer and was shot by fellow officers. "Confronted" is newspaper and cop speak for "assaulted." He attacked an officer, and the other officers opened fire.
Police officers do not mess around when someone armed with a weapon makes a threatening move toward someone else, especially a fellow officer. Especially someone who has already demonstrated the intention of using that weapon in a lethal manner.
A very sad situation all around.
spunkrat said:
In the third paragraph of the story it says the man confronted an officer and was shot by fellow officers. "Confronted" is newspaper and cop speak for "assaulted." He attacked an officer, and the other officers opened fire.
Police officers do not mess around when someone armed with a weapon makes a threatening move toward someone else, especially a fellow officer. Especially someone who has already demonstrated the intention of using that weapon in a lethal manner.
A very sad situation all around.
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