Divine Power and Righteous Might

[Number47]

Huh.

I posted the exact same topic a couple weeks ago. Only, in my case, I gave the example with polymorphing. Take a 3 Strength cleric, cast Divine Power to get +15 Strength enhancement, polymorph into a troll. Troll has a Strength of something like 21, with a +15 enhancement becomes 36.

When I posted, though, every single person said that Divine Power recalculates. I don't believe it reads that way at all.

 

[nwn_deadman]

Huh.

I posted the exact same topic a couple weeks ago. Only, in my case, I gave the example with polymorphing. Take a 3 Strength cleric, cast Divine Power to get +15 Strength enhancement, polymorph into a troll. Troll has a Strength of something like 21, with a +15 enhancement becomes 36.

When I posted, though, every single person said that Divine Power recalculates. I don't believe it reads that way at all.

If the spell was supposed to recalculate the STR is would say something about it, like "and maintains the casters STR at 18 even if something causes an additional gain or even a loss"

Your point was valid that a low STR cleric could get to a high level of STR with this spell...

The only thing you need to look it is the named and unnamed bonus types.

As long as you don't add any more enhancement bonus items or spells after you cast Divine Power you can get whatever you can come up with...

Personally I think that they think it is too munchy to do that, but if you can get Divine Power and Polymorph cast on ya then go for it.

(Most people don't take into account that poly other and self were changed in T&B tho)

 

[Kraedin]

I house-ruled it to a flat +6 enhancment bonus to strength to bring it more in-line with 3rd edition mechanics. The whole "setting to 18" thing seems like a mistaken hold-over.

 

[dcollins]

umm, it was not me that started it...it was rynolds...
All I said was "You are mistaken" and this is what I got back...
Feel like pulling your mistaken foot out of your mistaken mouth?
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Last edited by kreynolds on 03-23-2002 at 08:56 AM

I don't know what the heck this means, because "kreynolds" hasn't made an appearance in this thread except in your post and signature line. Either you're (a) kreynolds trolling, or (b) wildly confused about what thread you're currently flaming. Or possibly both.

 

[Cyraneth]

I agree with Kai Lord... The order of the spells is crucial in calculations like this. Divine Power gives an enhancement bonus to Strength depending on the character's current Strength. It disregards the sources of the character's Strength score. If the character has a Strength of 21 because he polymorphed into a troll prior to casting a Divine Power spell, he would gain no benefit regarding the enhancement bonus. If, on the other hand, the character polymorphed into a troll after casting a Divine Power spell, the enhancement bonus would carry over.

This is just like the Bestow Curse thing... If a character suffers a -6 reduction to Constitution (which cannot reduce her to below 1) and then falls victim to an attack that drains 1 point of Constitution, she dies. Had it been the other way around (first the Constitution draining attack and then the Curse), she would have survived. Bestow Curse, Divine Power, and Divine Agility base the bonus/penalty on the character's current ability score, not the actual score.

- Cyraneth

 

[Cyraneth]

This is just like the Bestow Curse thing... If a character suffers a -6 reduction to Constitution (which cannot reduce her to below 1) and then falls victim to an attack that drains 1 point of Constitution, she dies. Had it been the other way around (first the Constitution draining attack and then the Curse), she would have survived.

This, of course, requires that the character has 7 or less in Constitution...

- Cyraneth

 

[Piratecat]

Where in all of 3rd Ed. DND has anything like that EVER been mentioned? .... When the one spell is cast it works on the conditions AT THE TIME of the casting.... That argument LACKS ALL LOGIC. .... The spell description says that it will give an ENHANCEMENT BONUS sufficient to raise the STR to 18 ....NOWHERE in the spell description does it mention that it RAISES AND MAINTAINS at 18 the STR of the caster.... Name one instance where the level of adjustment of a buff (like) spell CHANGES after the spell has been invoked?

You know what's COOL? When you talk in capital letters, it makes ANY argument sound MUCH more authoritative!

No wait - I got that wrong. It makes you sound argumentative, strident and overly excitable. Please be polite; just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have to get upset about it.

EDIT - if you're quoting from a different thread, it's easier to add a link. Copying kreynold's quote and sig without quote bars around it was confusing!.

 

[graydoom]

I find that the easiest way to rule this is just to house rule Divine Power to give a flat +6 or +8 enhancement bonus.

Other than that, I would calculate the enhancement bonus from Divine Power based on the character's base strength score, then apply everything else. Who knows whether this is right -- personally, I doubt it. But it's the method that makes the most sense to me.

But I find it much simpler to bring Divine Power into line with the rest of 3e by reworking the spell to give a bonus instead of setting strength to a set number.

 

[hong]

No wait - I got that wrong. It makes you sound argumentative, strident and overly excitable. Please be polite; just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have to get upset about it.

Spoilsport.

 

[nwn_deadman]

i wll refrain from using caps, but I assure you that I was not the one that started with the personal attacks and all...