D&D 5E DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!

[fjw70]

It's not a house rule bro. Read the rules.

A hidden creature can pop up from its hiding spot and make an attack from hiding (with advantage). After the attack is resolved (hit or miss) the attacker is revealed.

If the attacker has the skulker feat it's only revealed on a hit.

Read the rules or start a poll or something. You're 100 percent wrong here.

Please cite the rule that allows this.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Flamestrike]

Please cite the rule that allows this.

Page 194-5 has the rules for attacking from hiding.

 

[fjw70]

Page 194-5 has the rules for attacking from hiding.

That rule says nothing about popping out. Once you pop out you reveal yourself. Unless it's a situation where the DM rules that the enemy is distracted, looking another way, etc. but those are situational. Nothing in the rules allow you to stay hidden after popping out and thus revealing yourself.

Lets look at it this way. Would you allow someone to stay hidden if they popped out and didn't attack?

 

[nswanson27]

That rule says nothing about popping out. Once you pop out you reveal yourself. Unless it's a situation where the DM rules that the enemy is distracted, looking another way, etc. but those are situational. Nothing in the rules allow you to stay hidden after popping out and thus revealing yourself.

Lets look at it this way. Would you allow someone to stay hidden if they popped out and didn't attack?

One of the benefits of the Skulker feat is:
When you are hidden from a creature and miss it with a ranged weapon attack, making the attack doesn't reveal your position.

If being hidden an popping out to shoot would normally reveal yourself, it would make this benefit moot, since your position would be revealed regardless by popping out right before the attack.
Point being: there has to be some benefit of being hidden over not being in LOS. Otherwise, there's no point to try to hide to begin with.

 

[Flamestrike]

That rule says nothing about popping out. Once you pop out you reveal yourself. Unless it's a situation where the DM rules that the enemy is distracted, looking another way, etc. but those are situational. Nothing in the rules allow you to stay hidden after popping out and thus revealing yourself.

Lets look at it this way. Would you allow someone to stay hidden if they popped out and didn't attack?

Huh? The rule clearly deals with attacking from hiding. If you're walking through a warehouse and a hidden creature takes a shot at you with a crossbow, (in addition to triggering initiative and combat and likely surprising you) the creature makes the attack with advantage. Once the attack is resolved (hit or miss) the creature is no longer hidden (Unless the creature had the skulker feat in which case it would only reveal its position if it hit you).

Read the rules, start a poll or whatever if you dont believe me. I'm not gonna argue with you, the rules are clear.

 

[iserith]

One of the benefits of the Skulker feat is:
When you are hidden from a creature and miss it with a ranged weapon attack, making the attack doesn't reveal your position.

If being hidden an popping out to shoot would normally reveal yourself, it would make this benefit moot, since your position would be revealed regardless by popping out before the attack.
Point being: there has to be some benefit of being hidden over not being in LOS. Otherwise, there's no point to try to hide to begin with.

Personally, I wouldn't hinge my argument about the basic rules on what a feat says. Not only are they optional, but there are a few of them that don't appear to have been edited well.

 

[fjw70]

One of the benefits of the Skulker feat is:
When you are hidden from a creature and miss it with a ranged weapon attack, making the attack doesn't reveal your position.

If being hidden an popping out to shoot would normally reveal yourself, it would make this benefit moot, since your position would be revealed regardless by popping out before the attack.
Point being: there has to be some benefit of being hidden over not being in LOS. Otherwise, there's no point to try to hide to begin with.

The difference is being hidden with hard cover (like a pillar) and being hidden with heavy concealment (e.g. Darkness). Sulked doesn't help with popping out either since you have to leave hiding to attack.

The basic question is does popping out count as revealing yourself. If you say no then you would have to allow someone hidden behind a pillar or wall you pop out, not attack, and stay hidden.

 

[nswanson27]

Personally, I wouldn't hinge my argument about the basic rules on what a feat says. Not only are they optional, but there are a few of them that don't appear to have been edited well.

But they do speak to author's intent. The fact that they are optional rules doesn't change the fact that they are in the PHB, and are presumably consistent with the core rules. Otherwise, how could you use them in a game? The skulker seems perfectly fine as far as editing goes, and this wasn't mentioned in the errata.

 

[fjw70]

Huh? The rule clearly deals with attacking from hiding. If you're walking through a warehouse and a hidden creature takes a shot at you with a crossbow, (in addition to triggering initiative and combat and likely surprising you) the creature makes the attack with advantage. Once the attack is resolved (hit or miss) the creature is no longer hidden (Unless the creature had the skulker feat in which case it would only reveal its position if it hit you).

Read the rules, start a poll or whatever if you dont believe me. I'm not gonna argue with you, the rules are clear.

If I am hiding behind a crate and you are walking right towards the crate can I pop out and make an attack with advantage? What if I pop out and not attack, am I still hidden?