DM panic button!! (gate and solars)

[James McMurray]

Wow. You'd almost think the original post hadn't specifically mentioned not wanting RP reasons for not summoning a solar.

As for fighting a Solar, there have been several good suggestions:

Gate another creature of your own
Maze
ForceCage (especially if in a diemensionally locked area)
Blasphemy, Word of Chaos, or other no save banishers.

A few more include:

Wish it hadn't been summoned
Harm + quickened X spell
Keen vorpal swords in the hands of improved critical using
weapon masters with 3 levels of cleric (and the Asassin's
Senses spell from Relics and Rituals)
Create a gate and then bull rush him though it, ending the gate
afterwards (the Solar is now in hell, and likely won't be coming
back unless a long-term contrct was involved)
Slaracean dragons are mean (I've heard)

Hope this helps. My party is soon to be cresting into 17th level range. But in my game they're already afraid to summon monsters, much less Gate them in. I've yet to have a high-powered creature turn on them, but they know that no supreme entity of good is going to be at their beck and call without some kharmic backlash of some sort.

 

[Magus_Jerel]

I gave you a whole thesis on the use and abuse of banishment. Probably your best option

Blasphemy and Word of chaos work - IF you can beat that SR... and get close enough

Harm + quickened X spell works on nearly anything that has Hit points and doesn't regenerate; but this presumes the bad guy wants to get hand to hand with this thing.

the "vorpal sword" solution isn't all that hot - because those solars have those killer bows... again you have to get in close.

but this one:

Create a gate and then bull rush him though it, ending the gate
afterwards (the Solar is now in hell, and likely won't be coming
back unless a long-term contrct was involved)

Presuming you could get that close and do it; is 99.99 certain to TOTALLY piss the solar off at the evil dude who pushed him in - and probably the party that summoned him INTO the battle as well.

A solar truly in hell - is going to draw lots and lots of attention from Demons - Devils, and the like - and if that solar doesn't have a plane shift to pop off - you had better bet that they are going to use that 1/day wish to get the Hell out of Hell...

 

[The Furious Puffin]

Just be glad the player hasn't figured out the true abusability of Gate. Considered the possiblities of, let's say, a Greater Djiin. The ones that grant 3 wishes if captured



Gate is one of the more powerful spells in the game, and is very hard to use/run.

My major (only suggestion is that the summoned creatures are effectively being asked to risk their neck for a total stranger. If I was being gated in, I would be looking out for myself first, and obeying the intention of my orders last.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Another suggestion for fighting a Solar. Attack it with thousands of stirges (or dire weasels). Those CON draining blood suckers'll finish things off quickly.

Somewhat more seriously, look for bolstered greater undead that drain attribute points and hit the solar with lots and lots and lots of them (but delay their arrival initiative point by intiatiave in order to avoid being taken out by AoO cleaves).

By the way B - are you still reading this thread you started? Care to give people some feedback on whether their thoughts are hitting the spot for you or not?

Cheers

 

[gfunk]

Presuming you could get that close and do it; is 99.99 certain to TOTALLY piss the solar off at the evil dude who pushed him in - and probably the party that summoned him INTO the battle as well.

A solar truly in hell - is going to draw lots and lots of attention from Demons - Devils, and the like - and if that solar doesn't have a plane shift to pop off - you had better bet that they are going to use that 1/day wish to get the Hell out of Hell...

Well, not exactly, remember that the Solar casts spells as a 20th level cleric.

So round one after being pushed into Hell,

Plane Shift back to Prime

Round two,

Teleport back to scene of battle and open up a can of whoop-ass on your bull-rusher