DMG II + PHB II + MM II-IV = 4th Edition?

[Jdvn1]

4e (when it eventually comes) will have revised things, rather than (or perhaps in addition to) adding more stuff.

Ooh, like the errata?

A 4th edition, in my opinion, would have a revamped magic system.

 

[wedgeski]

Considering the pitfalls that Dungeons and Dragons has overcome over the years, it seems sad that now they need (or would even entertain the idea of) a new edition, which effectively zeroes out the work of other companies working to support the d20 license and the hobby.

Except that no matter how many times Wizards, Charles Ryan, or anyone else says that they will not release a new edition for *years*, no-one seems to believe them. Your post is a good example, internalising as it has the assumption that a new edition of D&D is around the corner.

 

[Writers_Blog]

I am not saying that their is no room for progress, nor am I saying that eventually 4.0 should exist. What I am saying is that as of this point their isn't a need game wise for a new edition. This is something that WOTC has a record of messing up I.E. Magic the Gathering's new editions every time some one sneezes policy.

I for one will not spend money on an as yet unneeded edition. Why? For the exact reason that this post was started. In its own way DMG 2, PHB 2 and the errata have pretty much done what is needed to keep it a smooth system. Their is absolutely no reason why WOTC can not branch out a bit and bring forward more of the D&D product line from earlier editions
For instance Dark Sun, Birthright, and Maztica are waiting to be delved into.

Ghostwalk player option could be expanded into a full treatment CS, I for one would scrounge money for those books. 3.5 is not a dying system unless folks make it so by hiping up newer editions.

I draw a hard line here, because I feel that if a 4th Edition is made it means the end of the revitalized era for D&D. While their are a few of us gamers who are siked up about this new edition many of my friends feel that it is an obviously lame excuss for WOTC to charge another 40 or so bucks for another ESSENTIAL book.

What changes are they going to make to this system. Lower the power of the Monk, or give the Cleric Specializations, what do we need that can't already be found in the vast library of material already written for a system that works

 

[Writers_Blog]

THANK YOU DRAGON SLAYER

While I won't take up checkers or chess over a new edition its nice to have a supporter. Advertising is an issue, and while Dragon, and Dungeon are not the right canvas for advertisements in a way they are the advertisement.

D&D 2 (Movie) had some great advertisements that made all the players in the room watching laugh, we are after all rather suspect in are impartiality towards the subject of in game snacks and their ilk, but non gamers seeing those commercials didn't laugh or run out and get a copy of the PHB. It was preaching to the choir, the gamers were the only ones that got the humour behind the commercial.


WOTC Runs in Inquest, and Realms of Fantasy, and the Ilk but those already cater to folks that are familiar with the game, and of which more than a few already play, or have played the game.

My group consists of at least 12 players who all have a PHB, and of which at least 6 have the DMG, and other books. None of the players save one, when told about 4th Edition got excited. Most of the rest of us frowned and looked at our pocket books and girlfriends, or wives and frowned yet again. Economically speaking alone, I can not afford to buy the PHB, DMG, and MM1 for 4th Edition, and I wont go out of my way to try. It is as of this writing a waste of time. Whether it is now or 2008. Talk to me again then when they might have an excuse worthy of a new editon. I am not an old fart set in his ways I like new things but the direction of Wizards, and Hasbro is quickly making me wish Monte had the title to D&D.

 

[wedgeski]

Whether it is now or 2008. Talk to me again then when they might have an excuse worthy of a new editon. I am not an old fart set in his ways I like new things but the direction of Wizards, and Hasbro is quickly making me wish Monte had the title to D&D.

If you are suggesting that Wizards NEVER release a new edition of the game... I'm afraid you're on a hiding to nothing. Most people (if I may be so bold) accept that there will be a new edition at some point, their only concern is how soon. Pitched just right, the new edition will revitalise the game and re-energise the player base... just like 3rd Edition did five years ago. 4ed is a commercial imperative for Wizards. It will come, but at the moment, all signs point to it being years away... where it belongs.

 

[Dragon-Slayer]

If you are suggesting that Wizards NEVER release a new edition of the game... I'm afraid you're on a hiding to nothing. Most people (if I may be so bold) accept that there will be a new edition at some point, their only concern is how soon. Pitched just right, the new edition will revitalise the game and re-energise the player base... just like 3rd Edition did five years ago. 4ed is a commercial imperative for Wizards. It will come, but at the moment, all signs point to it being years away... where it belongs.

I don't think that a new edition should never be released myself, but not for several years yet. However, a new edition anytime soon (which has circulated on other places than here, like rpg.net, in an interview with a notable member of the d20 community) isn't going to revitalise anything, it will certainly drive many of the people in the game now away. I would rather have 4th edition slink up on me in the form of the DMG II and the PHB II than a whole new version. If all Wizards has to keep DnD going is "Hey, new edition time!", then they really need to look into their marketing strategy. Sitting down at a table and looking into how they advertise, sell and otherwise promote the game. Maybe they should have another setting search, that was a fantastic idea, opened up a new line of products which sell the core books and had high impact art to support the setting. Re-energise the Blood War, make it gritty and horrific, sweeping the planes and pulling the PCs into war with fiends. There are several options to keep the books and good ideas flowing to support the current ruleset. This helps those who only occassionally buy new books as well as those who buy every book.

 

[nothing to see here]

Actually most of my gaming group owns a copy of DMG 2, and I personally have thirteen monster manuels. As a whole we have over 80+ books for 3e and 3.5e that are well written and thought out, and every new book is looked forward to. Players guide to Eberron is my next wish list item.

Supliments are the money, Malhavoc Press, and Mongoose Publishing know this and have done good on supply gamers with decent work, others including EN Publishing, and Ronin Arts ( Philip Reed) have done well by gamers. What is so broke about 3.5 or even 3.0 that it requires a whole new expendiature of all that money just so I can contine enjoying the hobby. I say throw it in the back burner and leave it for a rainy day when their is actually a way of doing things better than their is now.

While many itch to get their hands on these new editions I wretch, and so does many of the people I play with, and know. Sarcastically, all I can think of regarding 4e is they might make a more seductive pic of a Nymph in MM 4e. I was mad when 3.5 Came out, I have since gotten used to some things, and tossed other things, but fourth edition is a red flag for me that not all is well in the house of the Wizards.

Ill stick with small time publishers that have the sense to not change their product line to 4e
better money spent

That's a lot of angst to be directed towards a non-released, non-announced and (as far as we know) non-existant 4e version of the game.

 

[Reynard]

That's a lot of angst to be directed towards a non-released, non-announced and (as far as we know) non-existant 4e version of the game.

Indeed. We should organize a boycott of all 4e products starting right now. We should openly refuse to buy such products, either online or at our local retailers, and instead buy 3.5e products whener we see them -- to send a message to WotC that we will not accept 4e right now!

Who is with me!?!

 

[Torm]

Who is with me!?!

I am, but I don't think WOTC will get the message - I've heard it told that they care so little about customer feedback that they don't even bother to track sales on products they haven't released yet.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

That's a really good analogy. I might use that whenever anybody says 'If they make 4th edition I'm not buying it!' if you don't mind?

Well, sure, but I'm certainly not anywhere near the first to make the analogy.