Do You Use Metamagic Feats?
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Lopke_Quasath
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http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php
The feats index file has metamagic feats listed by level cost.
It's a pretty good compilation.
The feats index file has metamagic feats listed by level cost.
It's a pretty good compilation.
akbearfoot
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I'm playing a wizard who actually took widen spell...But I specifically wanted to play a wizard who could lay waste to multiple opponents with big area spells. Which I'm well aware is not the most optimum use for spells...But it sure can be fun.
He's 18th level, Wizard8, war wizard of Cormyr 5 Archmage 5. The cormyr's specialty is that they can spontaneously widen arcane spells times per day = to their CHA mod, and whenever they cast a widened spell, the area is doubled...IE 3 times as large as normal....that means 60' radius Delayed blast fireballs, and the mother of all 120' radius meteor swarms. He uses a Greater rod of Empowering and casts widened, empowered, meteor swarms, shaped to not injur allies and energy substituted to whatever energy type is necessary.
If we go against a single monster that can kill squishy types in a hit or 2, instead they get hit by an empowered energy drain, followed by quickened (via a lesser rod)empowered Ray of Enfeeblment.
You have to keep a hand free to cast a spell, which means you can only hold 1 metamagic rod at a time....But with 2 gloves of Storing, you can swap rods and use a quickening rod to cast secondary spells.
Back to the OP's question.
The good ones have pretty much been mentioned. Extend, Empower, quicken, rapid spell(for the summoner types). Higher levels, chain spell and split ray are real good too. Can you actually Chain a Greater dispel magic? I'd never considered it. When I play casters, I almost invariably take metamagic feats, and/or item creation feats. Other people in my group don't bother, but IMO are less powerful for it.
I think spontaneous casters shouldn't get free casting of metamagic spells....they are balanced perfectly well with being limited to 5' steps when they meta spells. They already receive more overall power and versatility from their metamagic feats as is. The PHB2 variant is fine, because it is limited.
I'm playing a wizard who actually took widen spell...But I specifically wanted to play a wizard who could lay waste to multiple opponents with big area spells. Which I'm well aware is not the most optimum use for spells...But it sure can be fun.
He's 18th level, Wizard8, war wizard of Cormyr 5 Archmage 5. The cormyr's specialty is that they can spontaneously widen arcane spells times per day = to their CHA mod, and whenever they cast a widened spell, the area is doubled...IE 3 times as large as normal....that means 60' radius Delayed blast fireballs, and the mother of all 120' radius meteor swarms. He uses a Greater rod of Empowering and casts widened, empowered, meteor swarms, shaped to not injur allies and energy substituted to whatever energy type is necessary.
If we go against a single monster that can kill squishy types in a hit or 2, instead they get hit by an empowered energy drain, followed by quickened (via a lesser rod)empowered Ray of Enfeeblment.
You have to keep a hand free to cast a spell, which means you can only hold 1 metamagic rod at a time....But with 2 gloves of Storing, you can swap rods and use a quickening rod to cast secondary spells.
Back to the OP's question.
The good ones have pretty much been mentioned. Extend, Empower, quicken, rapid spell(for the summoner types). Higher levels, chain spell and split ray are real good too. Can you actually Chain a Greater dispel magic? I'd never considered it. When I play casters, I almost invariably take metamagic feats, and/or item creation feats. Other people in my group don't bother, but IMO are less powerful for it.
I think spontaneous casters shouldn't get free casting of metamagic spells....they are balanced perfectly well with being limited to 5' steps when they meta spells. They already receive more overall power and versatility from their metamagic feats as is. The PHB2 variant is fine, because it is limited.
akbearfoot said:
I think you're a little mixed up here.
The War Wizard of Cormyr is a 3.0 PrC. In 3.0 Widen Spell only increased the radius by half (i.e., a 20' radius fireball becomes 30').
In 3.5, Widen Spell doubles the radius by default (i.e., 20' radius fireball becomes 40').
As to how the WWoC should work in a 3.5 game, well, you'll have to go over that with your DM.
Aust Diamondew
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When I play a full caster I generally do. I've seen them become more popular in my group in the last year, but that is largely due to sudden metamagic feats.
Quicken, empower and still spell are my favorites (still spell for casting in a grapple).
Quicken, empower and still spell are my favorites (still spell for casting in a grapple).
useridunavailable
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I voted yes, largely because we generally play characters into the 25th-30th level range. At that point, Improved Metamagic and Improved Spell Capacity make some pretty absurd things possible with metamagic. Even without epic levels, however, I'd use at least Energy Substitution, Extend Spell, Persistent Spell (give me that 7th-level all day Divine Favor or Shield), Empower Spell, Split Ray, and Quicken Spell. With Arcane Thesis, I'd probably add Twin Spell to that list at higher levels, and obviously things like Transdimensional Spell and Fortify Spell become very attractive (Edit: Still Spell and Silent Spell, too, of course).
I also currently play an Evoker 10/Incantatrix 10, so... yes. Yes, I do use several metamagic feats on a regular basis. However, I did hold off for quite a while (until 20th level, actually) on taking Persistent Spell, simply because I thought Persistent Spell with class abilities such as Cooperative Metamagic and Metamagic Effect were a little bit over the top, even for me (which is saying a lot).
I also currently play an Evoker 10/Incantatrix 10, so... yes. Yes, I do use several metamagic feats on a regular basis. However, I did hold off for quite a while (until 20th level, actually) on taking Persistent Spell, simply because I thought Persistent Spell with class abilities such as Cooperative Metamagic and Metamagic Effect were a little bit over the top, even for me (which is saying a lot).
One thing I notice is that an empower rod takes a 17th level caster to make.
How many 17+th level casters (which are rare) are going to have taken craft rod (rarer still), and the proper metamagic feat and then spend the time to make the lesser rods.(Very, very rare)
I make the rods an adventure hook, not available on the open market pretty much.
How many 17+th level casters (which are rare) are going to have taken craft rod (rarer still), and the proper metamagic feat and then spend the time to make the lesser rods.(Very, very rare)
I make the rods an adventure hook, not available on the open market pretty much.
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