Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

[MoogleEmpMog]

And if you think they should be there to provide anti-hero fodder, I have one response: good drow. Doesn't sound so hot now, does it?

Actually, yes.

The ONLY reason I didn't have drow listed in my theoretical PHB is because they're technically an elven subrace. In retrospect, I think that may be a bit of bias creeping into my selections, so I'll formally add them to my list.

Drow, specifically good drow with two scimitars on the run from their evil kin, may annoy a great many 'veteran roleplayers' for reasons I don't quite understand but which seem related to annoyance at spiky hair and large weapons and the combination thereof, but they are associated with one of the most popular characters to ever come out of D&D.

If a new player comes into the game wanting to play a Drizzt clone, I say - kudos to him, and let's make it happen.

 

[Felon]

And if you think they should be there to provide anti-hero fodder, I have one response: good drow. Doesn't sound so hot now, does it?

Sounds fine. Not sure what your point was, unless it's just that it's trendy to bash other trends that are popular.

 

[Felon]

You say this after having seen what they did to the 3rd edition Bard?? Wow, that's a whole lotta faith, mister.

As opposed to the 2nd-edition bard, or (yikes) the 1st-edition one?

I suspect that 4e will decide to do the right thing with our little friends who like to play their lutes and sing while everyone else is in a bloodly slog.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

good drow. Doesn't sound so hot now, does it?

Hot enough to evaporate wolfram.

 

[mhensley]

I voted yes, even though I don't particularly care for tieflings. But:
I definitely appreciate that there is some new race in the PHB!

Personally I've always wanted the lizardman to be a core race. It takes the same place as the half-orc (big, strong, and dumb) and its a neutral race.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

If a new player comes into the game wanting to play a Drizzt clone, I say - kudos to him, and let's make it happen.

Drizzt clones are a myth. I'd say for every actual Drizzt clone out there there are about 10,000 people who bash good-aligned drow because they think drow should be CE outsiders with alignment "REALLY always CE, no exceptions, ever" and think that everyone not agreeing is having badwrongfun.

Haven't had any Drizzt clone. Had more than a few good drow. Among them there were no rangers, not that much two-weapon fighting and no scimitars I can remember.


I say make drow a player character race in the core rules, have all the bashers leave the game in disgust, and make the community a better place for it.

 

[Simia Saturnalia]

Personally I've always wanted the lizardman to be a core race. It takes the same place as the half-orc (big, strong, and dumb) and its a neutral race.

With the new philosophy of balancing races from level 1 on, I whole-heartedly concur with this opinion.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

As opposed to the 2nd-edition bard, or (yikes) the 1st-edition one?

1st edition was where you had to dual class twice, right? So you had to, like, become a legendary fighter first, then a master thief, and finally unravel the most intricate arcane mysteries, and then you received the power to.... sing and dance and play the lute.

 

[Dinkeldog]

I like the name Cambion better.

The "ling" part at the end bothers me, because I think of Halflings, which makes me think of Hobbits, and then I get a cramp.

Try eating more bananas. The potassium helps with the cramps.

Oh, and actually I like the Cambion option, too. Don't know why--Tiefling sounds petty and immature to me. Cambion evokes a stronger image to me.

 

[Dinkeldog]

1st edition was where you had to dual class twice, right? So you had to, like, become a legendary fighter first, then a master thief, and finally unravel the most intricate arcane mysteries, and then you received the power to.... sing and dance and play the lute.

Fighter, then thief, then druid, actually, but yeah. And it wasn't super-high level, but considerable enough. It was basically a prestige-prestige class.