Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

[Shadeydm]

Lame.

I can't find the quote, but I would swear one of the WotC guys have said this.

 

[delericho]

It's been a while since I checked my MM, but I think I recall noticing at one point that the PC races in the PHB were all the non-Evil, non-LA races in the core rulebooks. Orcs, Kobolds and Hobgoblins were out because they were Evil; Lizardmen (sorry, can't bring myself to call them Lizardfolk) were out due to monster hit dice; Aasimar were out due to a Level Adjustment.

On balance, I think that is the right policy to adopt. Of course, that means Teiflings don't make the cut - even if they cease to be a LA +1 race, they remain "Usually Evil (any)".

(The problem with including "Usually Evil" races as PC options is that it then eliminates that race as an option for PC opponents in the 'classic' kill-the-bad-guys campaign - can't go casually slaughtering Orcs if your buddy is one. And I'd certainly prefer Evil PCs remains an option the DM can allow, rather than being part of the default game.)

 

[ragnarok77]

It's been a while since I checked my MM, but I think I recall noticing at one point that the PC races in the PHB were all the non-Evil, non-LA races in the core rulebooks. Orcs, Kobolds and Hobgoblins were out because they were Evil; Lizardmen (sorry, can't bring myself to call them Lizardfolk) were out due to monster hit dice; Aasimar were out due to a Level Adjustment.

On balance, I think that is the right policy to adopt. Of course, that means Teiflings don't make the cut - even if they cease to be a LA +1 race, they remain "Usually Evil (any)".

Exactly my point!
No for Tieflings!
Moreover i just can't understand why they should receive a better treatment than Aasimars...

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Exactly my point!
No for Tieflings!
Moreover i just can't understand why they should receive a better treatment than Aasimars...

They've been available as PCs longer than Aasimar have been, Aasimar were something that was tacked on to the game later, and it's only 3e that put the usually Evil thing in. Before they were usually any Neutral or Evil.

 

[AFGNCAAP]

In regards to the OP, I'd say No.

I don't care for the reinvented look--I liked the trace of fiendish ancestry implied with 3.X tieflings, which could reflect their descent from any of the fiends, rather than just from predominantly succubi or erinyes.

I'd prefer Aasimar to be included if Tieflings are, but then again, I prefer some semblance of balance like that. Then again, I'd prefer Aasimar and Tielflings to be replaced with Heritage Feats, Bloodlines, or the like, so that any race, and not just humans, can be a form of tiefling/aasimar/genasi/etc.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

I can't find the quote, but I would swear one of the WotC guys have said this.

I am not doubting you; I just think 'evil paladins' are lame.

 

[Campbell]

I am not doubting you; I just think 'evil paladins' are lame.

The concept of a paladin-like class that represents the champions of various ethos is not lame. Still referring to them as 'paladins' is lame though.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

The concept of a paladin-like class that represents the champions of various ethos is not lame. Still referring to them as 'paladins' is lame though.

That is what I meant to convey, actually.

 

[Templetroll]

I vote yes. My Tiefling will be short, have a large nose and an affinity for illusion.

 

[Malhost Zormaeril]

Bwahahaha! You, sir, get a cookie! Nothing like starting the day with a laugh.