Does a Wall of Force block . . . .

[Piratecat]

I did exactly that. . . several dozen undead, all behind tower shields as they advanced. Very effective.

As Shilsen demonstrated with the rules quotes, any solid wall provides total cover. You can't turn through total cover. It doesn't matter whether you can see the undead or not, your turning can't reach them. You can't turn undead through a glass window, either.

 

[KarinsDad]

Okay, I'll bite. From the 3e FAQ, with regard to a question about using a shadow spell to duplicate Wall of Force:

A shadow wall of force is partially real and remains in place whether it is seen or not. Creatures that fail to disbelieve the wall cannot pass through it. Their spells do not have line of effect, and ranged or melee attacks bounce off the wall.

A wall of force blocks line of effect, just like any other solid barrier.

Thanks for the quotes out of the FAQ. I have NO problem with a Wall of Force being solid. and following the FAQ.

But, RAW does not state this anywhere.


In fact, this brings up the question of whether damage reduction would stop Magic Missile or Concussion Blast or other "solid" force effects.

Damage reduction states that it does not stop spells or spell effects, but if it does not stop Force effects from spells, does it stop mundane spell attacks like Magic Stone or Telekinesis? Presumably not.

True. For that matter, the SRD doesn't define iron or stone either, so by your rationale, a wall of stone or a wall of iron could be transparent. And I guess arrows can be shot through them as well.

good to know. Boy, the party wizard will sure be surprised when I spring this ruling on him! This way we can spend our free time discussing inherent properties of iron and stone rather than, oh I don't know, killing monsters and taking their stuff.

If you've seen Star Wars, you understand Force Effects.

Being a smart ass on a rules forum doesn't help. Is there such a thing as iron or stone in the real world? Yes. Is there magical Force Effects? No. So, you have no real world experience to tell you what a Wall of Force is like you would a Wall of Stone or Iron.

So, you are supplying your definition of a force effect from Star Wars and other genre as opposed to RAW. That does not cut it on a DND rules forum.


In fact, RAW is pretty darn quiet concerning what a [Force] effect is. If you want to find out more, you have to go to the FAQ.


With regard to the original poster, cover prevents Turns and a Wall of Force is a solid barrier that supplies cover, hence, a Wall of Force stops turns.

 

[Deset Gled]

Being a smart ass on a rules forum doesn't help.

I am getting a lot of laughs out of the fact that the guy who just tried to prove that solid objects can pass through a Wall of Force is calling someone else a smart ass.

 

[RigaMortus]

Being a smart ass on a rules forum doesn't help. Is there such a thing as iron or stone in the real world? Yes. Is there magical Force Effects? No.

Magnetics is a force effect...

 

[Parlan]

Being a smart ass on a rules forum doesn't help. Is there such a thing as iron or stone in the real world? Yes. Is there magical Force Effects? No. So, you have no real world experience to tell you what a Wall of Force is like you would a Wall of Stone or Iron.

So, you are supplying your definition of a force effect from Star Wars and other genre as opposed to RAW. That does not cut it on a DND rules forum.

Dude, don't get snippy just because I took your argument to it's logical conclusion.

First, your argument here is specious. We are both using outside knowledge to interpret the RAW. If my use of Star Wars to prove that a Wall of Force is solid isn't allowed on a DnD Rules forum, then you cannot use real world experience to argue that iron is not transparent. What's good for the goose...

In any case, a Wall of Iron is a magicial effect, so I have NO real world experience with it. How am I to know that it's solid, and not, for example, covered in little holes like a screen? To paraphrase an earlier poster "I think the onus is on the spell to prove that it's not."



In an effort to be somewhat helpful, PHB p 152 uses "high walls'" as an example of something that provides total cover and blocks line of effect.

 

[KarinsDad]

I am getting a lot of laughs out of the fact that the guy who just tried to prove that solid objects can pass through a Wall of Force is calling someone else a smart ass.

Actually, I wasn't trying to prove anything of the sort. I just suddenly found a place where RAW was inadequate.

Show me where RAW states that all force effects are solid.

For example, there are Cold spells that produce cold damage, Cold spells that produce impact damage, and Cold spells that produce slippery surfaces.

Cold does NOT mean that every instance of Cold produces cold damage. You have to read the specific spell, you cannot just assume that it produces a given effect unless the spell states so.

Force is not defined in the game. So, just because Forcecage can create a solid wall of force does not mean that Wall of Force can according to RAW.

There are two types of rules in the game: RAW (rules as written) and RAI (rules as intended). What the designers intended and what they actually wrote are not always the same thing.


So, since we answered the "whether force is solid" question (by looking at the FAQ), we still have the question of whether damage reduction would stop Magic Missile or Concussion Blast or Explosive Runes or other "solid" force effects. Damage reduction states that it does not stop spells or spell effects, but if it does not stop Force effects from spells, does it stop mundane spell attacks like Magic Stone or Telekinesis where a physical object is moved by magic?

Maybe, maybe not. By a literal interpretation, damage from you swinging your sword at an opponent will result in damage reduction. Damage from you telekinetically throwing that same sword at an opponent will not result in damage reduction because it is a spell doing it.

 

[Felix]

I'm just going to sit this one with KD out and enjoy the show.

With popcorn.

Oh, and to make this an on-topic post, yeah... no Turning through full cover.

 

[Piratecat]

"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot, it tis a silly place."

If someone wants to start some wacky hijack about force effects, please do so in a different thread.