Does anyone else think D&D 4th edition should be more like 2nd edition

[Inconsequenti-AL]

Hopefully, this hypothetical 4th ed = 2nd ed thingamyjigger will combine Skills and Powers, Spells and Magic, The Complete Book of Elves, The Complete Book of Ninjas and Psionics. That outght to make it double plusgood fun!

 

[Laslo Tremaine]

Please, God, no.

I played a bit of 1e, none of 2e, and came back into the fold with 3e.

If anything, 4th edition, should be even more classless, and have a more unified core rules system.

Going back to 2e, would be a huge step backwards, let's not even think about it...

 

[Bran Blackbyrd]

There are only two things that were better about 2E; Planescape and my age.
I wish someone had handed me a stack of 3.x books back when I started playing.

You troll.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I still don't know how thac0 worked - it IS the absolute worse idea in gaming!!!

You're just not old enough

Before Thac0 was enshrined in 2e it was a revolutionary step forward in 1e introduced in some fanzines/magazines. You see, before that you had to look at a table and cross reference your level and the target AC to see what number you needed to hit! Suddenly someone realised that you could do away with the table by attempting to roll a certain DC (thac0, depending on your class and level) and adding the AC (or subtracting the -ve AC) from your roll to hit.

It eliminated tables at a stroke and was most excellent. In a way the only change in combat between that and 3e was that your base DC was fixed and you added the target AC to your roll back then, and now the DC is determined by 10+ the target AC and you just roll. The fact that AC counts a different way now makes the calculation slightly simpler.

Cheers

 

[Keeper of Secrets]

I would not prefer to see things go back. 2e is pretty much what ran me off from D&D in the first place. 3e has some problems but it is a vastly superior product from the 2e and on the same level as 1e (as far as fun goes) in my opinion.

 

[Gez]

Does anyone else think D&D 4th edition should be more like Synnibarr

Personally I hate 3rd edition and 3.5 WoTC should of completely changed all the rules they screwed up monster mutations added too few classes(and Savage Species was not enough),gave all the classes the same xp bonus and made it a low tech version of the Star Wars RPG I like that game but I want my Jedi Dwarven cyborg ninja to use high tech, not low tech.

 

[langolas]

I see 1/2E as American Standard, and 3.0/3.5 as Metric.

1/2E all the basics were different - exp for classes, stat bonuses, that 10% bonus for exceptional stats, etc, etc. You had to constantly flip through six different pages, plus I HATED THAC0. I understood it, but it never made sense.
The non-weapon proficientcies(SP) were a joke a best and more often than not ignored by almost everyone I gamed with. Weapon speed was stupid . . . and the list goes on.

3.0/3.5 is universal, if you have an 17 on ANY stat you have a +3 modifier. You can now have a Dwarven Wizard with no restictions. You aren't penalized for playing a non-human character.

My main complaint with 3.0/3.5 is that there are SOOOO many products coming out that it's hard to keep track of. I don't even go to non WotC stuff any more because there is just so much of it. I really use the reviews on this site to help me buy certain items, just because I don't want to drop XX $$$ on a piece of crap.

I also think we should have a new OT Post: "You know you are trolling when:?"

 

[Thanee]

While 3rd edition D&D certainly does have some flaws, it's still a VAST improvement over 2nd edition. I mean, what's so cool about having a seperate XP table for every class, have just about no balance at all between classes (even with the different progressions), have stupid level caps for demihumans or lower attribute caps for female characters (or was that 1st? ), and so on... !?

No, thank you, while I'd like to see some improvements in 4th edition, I'd absolutely not like to step back in time 10+ years to a totally inferior (IMHO) system.

I like progression.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

I still don't know how thac0 worked - it IS the absolute worse idea in gaming!!!

Now, it's not that hard to understand, really.

See yeah lets see 4e = the system with no class

Hmm... that's something, I'd not really like to see, altho I prefer classless systems in general. Classes just belong to D&D. But a d20 Core Book without classes would be good, and then a D&D book which uses the ruleset and build the basic classes from it.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Paragon Kobold]

I still don't know how thac0 worked - it IS the absolute worse idea in gaming!!!

I remember having thac0 explained to me and thinking; "What a great idea, much better than using the tables."