D&D (2024) Does anyone else think that 1D&D will create a significant divide in the community?

[MNblockhead]

The good news is this means a higher chance of finally getting the 5E books on DMs Guild/DriveThruRPG. (They're so compatible, though, that I could see them not doing it.)

I would hope that they would sell them on DMs Guild with a POD option. They obviously are not going to keep printing new runs of the 2014 books, but there will still be people who want to stick with the 2014 books. Make everything they ever published that is no longer available to buy physical books of, available in DMs Guild with POD options. Might as well make some money on the long tale of older-edition fans.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Online arguments a year or more before the books come out doesn't constitute anything other than online arguments.

I mean I would quote the local comic shop arguments about it, but people would say I have confirmation bias and am cherry picking...

we can see people that before the announcement were all pro 5e anow arguing over weather or not the 1D&D will be useable with PC facing content...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

there will still be people who want to stick with the 2014 books.

yup and there it is.. the beginnings of the edition split

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I mean I would quote the local comic shop arguments about it, but people would say I have confirmation bias and am cherry picking...

we can see people that before the announcement were all pro 5e anow arguing over weather or not the 1D&D will be useable with PC facing content...

Unless you have a time traveling comic shop -- in which case, wow, are you wasting its capabilities -- no one knows whether there's going to be a split, because no one knows what 1D&D will look like -- not even WotC! -- and no one truly knows their own mind on these things.

We have been through this before.

And yes, there were a handful of people who were ride or die 3E and never 3.5, but there was no big split in the community. Some people used 3E books at the table but used 3.5 materials when they wanted. Some did the reverse. Some converted. Some didn't. And many of the people who said it was going to be a huge deal didn't end up feeling that way, six months later.

It simply wasn't a big deal. You can go back through the ENWorld archives and see it all play out for yourself. Nothing that's being said now wasn't being said then.

Yes, there was a 4E split, but 1D&D simply isn't anything approaching as major of an edition change as 4E was. And WotC simply doesn't have the time to pull something like that again, even if they wanted to.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Unless you have a time traveling comic shop -- in which case, wow, are you wasting its capabilities -- no one knows whether there's going to be a split, because no one knows what 1D&D will look like -- not even WotC! -- and no one truly knows their own mind on these things.

We have been through this before.

And yes, there were a handful of people who were ride or die 3E and never 3.5, there was no big split in the community. Some people used 3E books at the table but used 3.5 materials when they wanted. Some did the reverse. Some converted. Some didn't. And many of the people who said it was going to be a huge deal didn't end up feeling that way, six months later.

It simply wasn't a big deal. You can go back through the ENWorld archives and see it all play out for yourself. Nothing that's being said now wasn't being said then.

Yes, there was a 4E split, but 1D&D simply isn't anything approaching as major of an edition change as 4E was. And WotC simply doesn't have the time to pull something like that again, even if they wanted to.

I would argue that WotC pretty much knows what their new books are going to look like, but fair enough.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I mean I would quote the local comic shop arguments about it, but people would say I have confirmation bias and am cherry picking...

we can see people that before the announcement were all pro 5e anow arguing over weather or not the 1D&D will be useable with PC facing content...

And I am 95% sure that it is all noise. How many people are here voicing their opinions... 20? 100? Out of millions?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

We have been through this before.

not withstanding your snark this is the only part we agree on...

We saw that most tables DID NOT mix and match 3e and 3.5... I saw Gencon games, Origins games, 3 gaming stores (2 no longer open) and many groups and the defualt answer at all of them was "No you can't use 3.0 haste in 3.5"

I did know someone that kinda house ruled in an improved haste as a 5th level spell based on 3.0.... but I don't think that counts.

I will admit it didn't happen over night... but as Ccomplete warrior updated sword and fist I saw less and less table let sword and fist in... by the time of complete.... the rouge one I can't remember... It wasn't just stuff that was updated but things that WILL be updated soonish

now maybe my 25+ years of gaming has 100% the opposite experience as you and in witch case NEITEHR could say for sure who's experience is more common... but I doubt you played with many 3.5 DMs who just let you use 3.0 spells feats and rules.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

And I am 95% sure that it is all noise. How many people are here voicing their opinions... 20? 100? Out of millions?

and so you know waht the millions think?

You can read the minds of the silent?

no? then I guess we only have those talking to go by.

Do you HONESTLY expect that a common experience for someone with the 2014 phb going to a game where the DM has the 2024phb to be just "Okay you use your rules and we will use ours" or do you think the common answer will be "Here uppdate to these rules"

 

[GreyLord]

The good news is this means a higher chance of finally getting the 5E books on DMs Guild/DriveThruRPG. (They're so compatible, though, that I could see them not doing it.)

Maybe. Too early to tell I think.

Normally, I believe (from what I understand at least, I may be mistaken) they TRY (in otherwords, there may have been mistakes made) to publish to most recent version of the rules, and hopefully with the included errata if it was officially released in a publication.

This is why 2e has the Newer versions released from the 2010s rather than those from the late 80s and early 90s.

I think in regards to half edition changes, they don't have 3e core available for release (yet at least), but they do have the 3.5 versions available (and PoD as well if you desire).

I think it will depend on what angle they want to take with the 5e and One D&D release. I would assume that right now they are not planning on releasing the current Core books on DMsGuild (I could be wrong, have been before), but obviously, depending on what happens, that could change in the future.

If it is FULLY compatible though, and is basically seen as more of a jump rather than a new edition (being compatible and all) I would expect, in how they've done prior rules, they would not release the books.

On the otherhand, if you go very far back, they HAVE released BX, BECMI, and the RC in PDF format at the same time...though technically you could also say they are different versions/editions of that game as well. Maybe...

 

[Scribe]

"Here uppdate to these rules"

Outside of established groups house ruling, it will be this. Play the most up to date rule set, and everything else will fade into irrelevancy.