That's why I specify that for me, in order to be a healing spell, it has to heal directly.
Unless it's Goodberry, apparently.
That's why I specify that for me, in order to be a healing spell, it has to heal directly.
Unless it's Goodberry, apparently.
Again, I don't think that was the "primary intent".
Incorrect. The berries are a part of the spell. Unlike hit dice with Catnap and Rope Trick.
Except the spell does not directly heal you. Unless you use an action (a limited resource) at a later time to consume the berry, it does nothing.
The berries are part of the spell. It's similar to a spell with a really long casting time. Actions are not a limited resource by the way. You have them over and over and over without end.
Be my guest. Ask away.OK so rather continue to speculate I am just going to ask them. Unless you'd like to? It's one of those non-subjective questions, when the authors of the rule are freely available to tell us their intent behind it.
But, again, would you let a cleric that learns rope trick and casts it to give the party a short rest have that spell benefit from Discipline of Life?Actions are absolutely a limited resource - particularly if you're unconscious and cannot even take an action but need that healing. Actions are so limited that Action Surge is a primary power for a fighter, to give them a second one in a round. For each round, it's highly limited.
Your argument that you can take many actions over time is not logical relative to other things you can take many of over time also being limited. For example you can cast infinite spells given infinite amount of time. But, they have a limitation - in this case per day or per short rest depending on the spellcaster, and for actions you have a limitation of one per round. Either way, the limitation makes it a resource which is limited.
As for the berries being part of the spell, so? The rest is part of the rope trick spell. As the rest is a requirement for the use of Hit Dice to heal, and the rope trick provides that element used to heal, that is similar to the berry being provided by the spell. In both instances you have to use a different limited resource to actually gain healing from the spell. For the berry you need an action to consume it - which will be a problem if you are not conscious or have no actions. For the rope trick you need hit dice spent to gain the healing - which will be a problem if you have no hit dice.
Actions are absolutely a limited resource - particularly if you're unconscious and cannot even take an action but need that healing. Actions are so limited that Action Surge is a primary power for a fighter, to give them a second one in a round.
For each round, it's highly limited.
As for the berries being part of the spell, so? The rest is part of the rope trick spell.
that is similar to the berry being provided by the spell. In both instances you have to use a different limited resource to actually gain healing from the spell.
The effect of Goodberry is to conjure 10 magical berries. It is not to heal. Each of those berries can be stuck up your enemy's nose, if you want. The spell itself does no healing whatsoever. (Yes, I know there's some Sage Advice out there to the contrary, but I value Sage Advice about as much as I value dietary advice from my teenage sons).Unless it's Goodberry, apparently.
But, again, would you let a cleric that learns rope trick and casts it to give the party a short rest have that spell benefit from Discipline of Life?