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Does the TV scifi paradigm need to change?

Whisperfoot said:
I agree. TNT killed Crusade before it ever had the chance to air because of their meddling with the series. JMS made the statement that the TNT suits wanted Crusade to be like WWF meets Baywatch in space, and he wasn't going to turn a Babylon 5 spinoff into that. Once things fell through with TNT, Scifi had the option to pick it up, but had already invested in all their original programming for the year and couldn't afford to pick it up. Every indication was that they actually really wanted to at that time. These days, who knows? I mean they got great ratings on a masterfully produced Battlestar Galactica miniseries and they're still sitting on the pot.
Yea the flack SciFi got was for not picking it up, strange they should take a PR hit when they were trying to save it, this is one of the areas where they really needed a good PR person. They should of come out looking like heroes in this one and instead came out looking like goats. They really didn't do anything at all wrong, there is some of the same going around for why they didn't save Firefly. It leads to this appearance of them not liking science fiction, which in this case is sort of silly but truth and perception are totally unrelated. On the Crusade scene it was TNT who were the actual "bad guys".
 

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jdavis said:
Some people are addicted to TV...
That's a problem with the person then, not the genre.

*snip*

Even with 99 channels it's hard to find anything to watch but when the alternative is sitting there in the dark you will make do with what you can find for entertainment. Soemtimes you just sit through a show about the history of the Winchester rifle because it's the least crappy of everything on and sometimes you sit through a poor Battlestar Galactica mini series because you are hoping that you can find something worthwhile about it because you so desperatly want to like it.
If you go to watch TV, and there's nothing good on, don't watch TV.

The latter reason (about BG) is a good one though - giving a show a chance isn't bad for any reason. You don't have to have liked it in the end, but at least you didn't stubbornly refuse to let it try and amuse you.

*snip*

What do you watch when there is nothing else on? If it was Buffy or the news which will you choose?

*snip broad generalization about ST fans*
What news channel? :)

Seriously though, nothing. I'll read a book. I'll surf the net. I'll call up a friend I haven't spoken to in a while. I'll sit down with a notebook and write (I hate typing on computers when I'm inspired). I'll exercise my meager music composition skills. I'll lay back and listen to music. I'll manage my budget or something equally tedious yet productive. I'll play some video games. I'll do some studying (even though I've graduated college - good to keep up on these things). I'll cook. I'll clean. I'll just go out and drive around. I'll go to the mall. The list goes on and on.

The point being, don't put up with crap because you like the color and there aren't any roses. Crap is crap is crap, steam and all.
 

Heh. I wish I had so much free time that I had to find something else to do. Between a job with longish hours, a long commute, going to the gym and 2 kids (not to mention the weekly game), I don't have enough free time to watch that much stuff as it is.

I didn't watch the new BG. Did I avoid it because it wasn't the original? No. I avoided it because the early reviews I heard of it sounded awful (cylons are now sultry women who have glowing spines while they have sex). I vote with my attention-share. While BG was on, I was playing Prince of Persia or watching something on Tivo. Or playing D&D.

As far as the SciFi Channel is concerned: I remember when they first came out, to do their ptiches, as the regional SF conventions. They were there to generate buzz, and to invigorate their potential viewer-base. It was embarassing. The reps from SFC were painfully ignorant of their audience, and it was clear when the sharks started circling that they realized it. They had come with beads and shiny trinkets, and expected the natives to be pleased. However, these natives were restless. They weren't prepared, for example, to answer the questions that were asked. Any halfways knowledgable person should have expected a "Will you be showing Star Trek?" question. They stared in horror, clearly not having expected it. They flubbed the answer for five minutes before giving the actual answer they should have. They came expecting guys easily cowed geeks, and found that they didn't really know that much about SF fans. The people who ran SFC's excellent website and scifi weekly were there at the con at different panels...and they immediately distanced themselves at every opportunity. "Oh, I don't have any connection with programming decisions or things like that." was heard several times an hour.

And that is the problem, right there. SFC gave lip service to being a channel for SF fans...but it's not, and never really was intended as such. It's a channel that air shows that have some SF element in them, from Wonder Woman to The Man from Alantis to The Food of the Gods to Mann and Machine. If they can attract the core SF fan audience, that's swell...but they're not going to cater to them. I lost hope in the SFC the minute I saw my first "FTL feed". Oh, how awful those were.

Does that mean that SFC is a complete failure? No. In fact, they've done some excellent things over time, like the talk shows they had or the news show with Harlan Ellison doing commentaries. Their show-slot where they'd show old shows that only went a handful of episodes was excellent, too.

But jdavis has a significant point. I see more Science Fiction on other channels than I actually see on SFC. SFC was the first channel to show anime...but Cartoon Network figured out how to actually use it. While SFC showed the same four movies over and over, CN figured out how to make the format work. Shows like Cowboy Bebop and Blue Gender, which are perfect fits for SFC (due in part to their broad appeal to people who aren't anime fans). And if you want to see a monster movie or science fiction film from before the mid-80s, you'd best head over to AMC or TCM, instead.

I don't watch SFC because it doesn't offer me anything anymore. And that's a shame.


(by the by, LightPhoenix...Tenacious D fan, are we? Eric's Grandma wouldn't like the title of that song, now would she? :D)
 

LightPhoenix said:
That's a problem with the person then, not the genre.


If you go to watch TV, and there's nothing good on, don't watch TV.
Well see that's not a problem at all. Some people just like TV and some of us are old enough to have lived pre-cable and are used to making do with what is on. If I got a book I'll read a book, If I have someplace to go I'll go someplace, but if I'm sitting in my giant La-z-boy watching tv then I don't want to get up and do stuff I want to sit in my giant La-z-boy which is in front of the tv set. I live in small town USA there just isn't a lot to do here for recreation, I read and game and type stuff like this on the internet and I watch TV. When I have free time I'm most likely either on the internet or watching tv. I'll read a 900 page book in about a week and I am sort of picky about what I read so it's not really a option 99% of the time, clean the house? yea that's entertaining, it's snowing outside reight now why would I want to get out in that and go somewhere if I don't have too? We got one mall with a half dozen stores I have any interest in at all and I was at them all two days ago, there are no new movies out right now I want to see and I have been to Wal Mart 4 times already this week. I'm off work, my wife is at work and I got absolutely nothing to do except 1. watch tv or 2. talk about watching tv on a messageboard. The older I get the more I enjoy just sitting around and putting my brain in neutral and zoning out to the big zombie box.
 

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