Does Water Breathing allow spell casting?

kreynolds said:
So why bother doing so again if you're not offering anything new to go along with it?

(1) Because no one included the actual link so interested parties could consult the reference in question.
(2) Because it seemed evident that the previous reference had been overlooked by parties to the discussion.

Note: Your comments are irritating and offensive, not amusing.
 
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dcollins said:
(1) Because no one included the actual link so interested parties could consult the reference in question.
(2) Because it seemed evident that the previous reference had been overlooked by parties to the discussion.

I know. I wasn't serious and I appreciate your efforts, as I'm sure everyone else does as well.

dcollins said:
Note: Your comments are irritating and offensive, not amusing.

And it's my problem if you can't take a joke?

Note: I noticed how you omitted the wink ( ;) ) emoticon and the "(Just pokin')" bit from the quote. I guess that woulda make you look a little silly, biting my head off and all, had you left them in there? Chill out a bit, relax, it's all good.
 
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Magic Rub said:
You two better start playing nice

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kreynolds said:


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Wow, my brain is about to explode. Darn, when I saw this topic and read through it. I got bored and looked up the information on liguid breathing. Like that seen in the movie the "Abyss".

Basicly, no human being has done a liquid dive as of this date using a liquid breather. And its major use is on Premeture babies and respiratory failure patients. The main problem with breathing liquid that they found was that your body has a very hard time expelling 4 liters of liquid containing carbon dioxide. To do this they use a perflorinated hydrocarbon with a bromine. It basicly is about twice as thick as water.


Strange subject, with a huge amount of research that has been done into the topic. But you are correct, if your lungs were filled with water you wouldn't be able to speak. Assuming that waterbreathing doesn't just convert water to a non-vicous gas once it enters the body.
 
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So what you're saying is, if waterbreathing allowed you to literally suck water into your lungs, take out the oxygen and then expell it, the human body doesn't really handle that well?

So, yes, you couldn't speak with your lungs filled with water, but at the same time you couldn't really breath either?

Hmmmm....my idea that the spell converts water into breathable air as it enters your nose and mouth isn't that crazy after all :p

IceBear
 

1) Adventuring underwater is fun. But if you don't allow folks to cast spells underwater, then it won't be fun for wizards and sorcerers and, to a lesser degree, clerics, druids, and bards.
2) Ruling that waterbreathing allows normal speech is not unbalancing. That is, it doesn't create a new "must-have" tactic that everyone will always use. (People who want to breathe underwater will probably use the spell whether or not it allows spellcasting).
3) Waterbreathing allows the subject to "breathe water freely." Breathing involves inhaling and exhaling. Speech involves exhaling across your vocal cords. If you can freely exhale across your vocal cords, you can speak.
4) Due to the wonders of the "ignore" function, I've missed some of the thoughts in this thread. However, since some of the ignored posts show up as quotes in other people's posts, I'm perfectly satisfied that I'm not missing much.

To recap: when the real-world answer to a question is unavailable, DMs should evaluate the game-world answer based on fun, then balance, then strict rules reading, and finally analogous physics. I think all four of these criteria point to allowing the use of verbal components underwater. And if someone consistently posts obnoxious straw-man distortions of your own posts, check out the ignore function.

Daniel
 

IceBear said:
So what you're saying is, if waterbreathing allowed you to literally suck water into your lungs, take out the oxygen and then expell it, the human body doesn't really handle that well?

So, yes, you couldn't speak with your lungs filled with water, but at the same time you couldn't really breath either...

That would be the magic part of it;)




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As a point of usless note... You only actually use a small portion of the oxygen you take in when you breath.
 
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Pielorinho said:
2) Ruling that waterbreathing allows normal speech is not unbalancing. That is, it doesn't create a new "must-have" tactic that everyone will always use. (People who want to breathe underwater will probably use the spell whether or not it allows spellcasting).

Does this mean that my NPC mages can hide in ponds, rivers, lakes, large portable orbs of water (but that's a different story), ect... and fire off spells free from the threats of battle? I know it sounds extreem/silly but it is possible, & if done correctly it's a good tactic.
 

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