Does WotC have a new printer?

Vigwyn the Unruly said:
In the mean time, pick up one of the books at your FLGS and see for yourself whether or not they "feel" lower quality.

Having finally gotten around to doing this today, my only comment is: I don't know what the fuss is about.

Is the binding "different"? Well, yeah, I guess.

Is it "worse", or likely to be a "problem"? Not in my opinion. If someone hadn't pointed out to me that the binding style had changed, I'm not even sure that I would have noticed.

I certainly found no reason to have any suspicion that the new books are going to be "less durable" than the older books.

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Vigwyn the Unruly said:
No, I have a problem with it feeling cheap.

No, I am not in the printing business. I do not have to have any special knowledge to realize that the book I'm holding in my hand at the game store feels like junk compared to all of the WotC books I have previously purchased.

Several people have described the differences--books making a cracking sound when you open them, a feeling of being overly stiff, the covers trying to spring shut.

These are objective observations that anybody can make. I have made them, and I don't like them, and I think that's a problem. I wish WotC would go back to the quality that I loved about them and that made me a loyal customer in the first place.


Actually, I did a little research to see if I could get to the bottom of this controversy. I was surprised at not being able to find a reputable source online that dealt with this. Obviously, all of us have recollections of opening a crisp new book and sometimes hearing that cracking sound. It is certainly a sound that many associate with a new book. However, while I have found no evidence that supports it being a mark of quality, some of the information I have received purports the opposite.

Even people unfamiliar with the bookbinding process are aware that a book, simply stated, is put together from signatures made up of multiple sheets. These are held together along an edge with an adhesive, and possibly sewn, then the cover is added. That's binding in a nutshell.

But what could cause that cracking sound? According to an official of Acme Bookbinding (Est. 1821) there are a number of possible sources, most of them not favorable. In the case of a library binding, which is "oversewn" to make it supremely durable, it may just be that the book was bound a bit tight and the cover itself, and not the binding, is making the noise as it wears in. However, in the case of a typical hardcover book the probable cause is in the adhesive.

Early books were merely sewn but eventually adhesives had begun to be used, at first in combination with sewing and eventually (when adhesives became stronger) on their own in some processes. Adhesives have developed over the years and the modern terminology for a typical hot adhesive is EVA, or Ethylene Vinyl Acetate. But there is another process that uses a cold adhesive or PVA, PolyVinyl Acetate. This cold adhesive process is more flexible than the old hot adhesive process, and less prone to cracking. It is said to be a superior process and binding. It is the poorer quality hot adhesives that make the cracking sounds. The more cracking, the more likely you have a lower-quality binding. Granted that depending on usage even a poor quality book can hold up well enough to last as long as necessary for its task.

Anyway, that's what I've come up with and it is by no means an exhaustive search of professional opinion on the subject. I've also dropped a line to Cecil of The Straight Dope and will let you know if that gleans any more information.

Sorry, Vigwyn the Unruly. I really tried to find some evidence that would support both sides but it appears your fear is irrational, unfounded, and erroneous. If you gain any information of fact in support of your position, I'd really love to hear it and I will continue to try and come up with some on this end.
 

Lords of Madness felt OK to me - except for the fact that the spine text was printed halfway onto the front cover of my book, I was happy with the contents. (And as the post quoted above from Charles Ryan says, I could apparently turn it in for an exchange if I wanted to - I probably won't take them up on it, but I'm glad they've offered). I was more concerned when I bought Champions of Ruin and found that I could barely open the book because it was bound so tight! Only time will tell if the binding is sturdy enough, but it feels so fragile to me I hate to open the book fully.

Hopefully, WotC will be able to work things out with their printer. At least they are working on a solution; I'm just sorry that City of Splendors will be printed during this interregnum. I was really looking forward to that book.
 

Eridanis said:
I was more concerned when I bought Champions of Ruin and found that I could barely open the book because it was bound so tight! Only time will tell if the binding is sturdy enough, but it feels so fragile to me I hate to open the book fully.
Are you sure it's the binding itself, rather than simply the cover? My DMG had a pretty tight/stiff cover, which creaked, but is fine now. The binding never made any noise at all or seems to have any problems. I've been reading DMG2 a lot lately.
 

Zenodotus of Ephesus said:
It is the poorer quality hot adhesives that make the cracking sounds. The more cracking, the more likely you have a lower-quality binding.

Zenodotus of Ephesus said:
Sorry, Vigwyn the Unruly. I really tried to find some evidence that would support both sides but it appears your fear is irrational, unfounded, and erroneous.

:confused: !? Huh? Maybe I'm somehow misreading what you wrote above, but it certainly sounds like your evidence suggests that the cracking does indicate low quality.

What am I missing?
 

Vigwyn the Unruly said:
:confused: !? Huh? Maybe I'm somehow misreading what you wrote above, but it certainly sounds like your evidence suggests that the cracking does indicate low quality.

What am I missing?


Are you saying the cracking is what you notice with the newer books (because my experience has been just the opposite)?
 

Ah, I see. Jack of Shadows (on page one) said that about the new books and then you mention it (who are the several people?, I see one) but not in relation to either the new or old books. Anyway, yes. That "cracking" is the mark, assumbly, of a poorer quality binding adhesive being used. Also, someone else who works in printing has mentioned to me that a book NOT staying closed rather than wanting to hold shut is also symptomatic of poorer bindings. He said that a book wanting to be closed is something that happens sometimes and normally works itself out fairly quickly. Not a big deal in his eyes. I'll keep you informed of any further facts I did up and you do the same, please.
 

Vigwyn the Unruly said:
:confused: !? Huh? Maybe I'm somehow misreading what you wrote above, but it certainly sounds like your evidence suggests that the cracking does indicate low quality.

Yes, you're misreading what he wrote; he said that cracking indicates lowER quality. He also said that it does not (by itself) indicate "poor" quality.

Even if the new binding style is of poorer quality than the old style, there's still no evidence to suggest that it isn't perfectly adequate to perform its task: i.e., stop the book from falling apart under regular use.
 

The basic question to answer the original poster is, "Yes".

Charles Ryan said:
We did not change the specifications of our books. In other words, we required the new vendor to meet the exact same specifications as the old printer, and that includes paper specs. However, the new vendor probably gets their paper from a different supplier, and that can lead to minor differences in the "feel" of the paper.

The long and short of it: The paper in our newer books isn't any thinner than the paper in our older titles, even though it may have a slightly different surface characteristic.

A fairly old post and a newer one:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=416137

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=448886&highlight=Charles+Ryan
 

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