D&D 5E Don't Throw 5e Away Because of Hasbro

[Hussar]

my point was that the issues mentioned in the post I replied to (below) were made up. I assume intentionally, to belittle the actual issues, however you feel about those. No one had brought those up in this discussion at all

aHH, Then I did understand.

My point was that all of the issues, both the ones you responded to an the ones you added, were all fabricated issues and completely deserving of being belittled.

 

[AlViking]

my point was that the issues mentioned in the post I replied to (below) were made up. I assume intentionally, to belittle the actual issues, however you feel about those. No one had brought those up in this discussion at all

They are all examples of complaints from other threads I never said they were from this particular thread. I also don't see why you feel compelled to call me out specifically.

 

[mamba]

aHH, Then I did understand.

My point was that all of the issues, both the ones you responded to an the ones you added, were all fabricated issues and completely deserving of being belittled.

if you want to belittle the actual ones, go right ahead, you do not need to make up issues. If anything it undermines your point, and you defending it is not helping yours, at least from my perspective

If you want to combat misinformation then do not only combat anti-WotC one but also pro-WotC one, otherwise I cannot take your effort as serious / about combating it

 

[mamba]

They are all examples of complaints from other threads I never said they were from this particular thread. I also don't see why you feel compelled to call me out specifically.

you brought them up here, and I have not seen any outrage about those.

Do all people like all changes, no, but that is the norm and everyone understands it. Which incidentally also is why no one here considered them an issue

 

[Hussar]

if you want to belittle the actual ones, go right ahead, you do not need to make up issues. If anything it undermines your point, and you defending it is not helping yours, at least from my perspective

If you want to combat misinformation then do not only combat anti-WotC one but also pro-WotC one, otherwise I cannot take your effort as serious / about combating it

Yeah, combating non-existing outrages by bringing up non-existing outrages that mostly only exist as clickbait for youtubers isn't exactly the slam dunk you think it is. My point, in case it wasn't clear, is that ALL these issues are made up. They're fabricated outrage to feed algorithms and aren't actually real issues.

I mean, good grief, a friend of mine just got through telling me how 2024 was a complete failure because of a Youtube video he watched about how 2024 only sold a couple of thousand copies. Remember that? Remember when that cycled through the news cycle? That the largest single RPG publication that has already gone into second printing only sold a couple of thousand copies?

I remember that. And he was absolutely adamant that the Youtuber was telling it like it is. I've seen so many "Can you believe WotC did this?!?!?" outrage posts that it's very, very hard to take any of them seriously. You brought up two, the Pinkerton thing which was 100% fabricated, and the Blurgate thing, which, honestly, looks a lot more like a bunch of people who apparently didn't understand copyright laws getting their wrists slapped as examples of "what Hasbro has done".

For me? It's all a giant because, frankly, I can't begin to believe people when they talk about outrage because of the absolute mountain of fabrications and lies driving the narrative that WotC is the Evil Corporation that has been ongoing for over twenty years now.

 

[mamba]

For me? It's all a giant

You can see it however you like. I see this as you just defending WotC and the 'combat misinformation' is just a pretense because you do not care about misinformation when it aligns with you. For the record, I do not really care about any of the issues (besides the OGL one) either. I agree that they are all being blown out of proportion

 

[Hussar]

You can see it however you like. I see this as you just defending WotC and the 'combat misinformation' is just a pretense because you do not care about misinformation when it aligns with you. For the record, I do not really care about any of the issues (besides the OGL one) either. I agree that they are all being blown out of proportion

So, you agree with the point I'm making, but still feel the need to tell me I'm being disingenuous at the same time? Color me rather confused and it does go some way to explaining why I was missing your point at the outset.

 

[mamba]

So, you agree with the point I'm making, but still feel the need to tell me I'm being disingenuous at the same time?

I am complex The agreement and the accusation are about different things though. I agree that the issues are overblown, I disagree with your 'combat misinformation' stance since you seem to only care about misinformation from one side

Also, saying that something is being blown out of proportion is not the same as saying there is no issue whatsoever, the latter is what I was objecting to in some of the posts here (not necessarily yours, but yours are mixed in with the exchange)

 

[Hussar]

I am complex The agreement and the accusation are about different things though. I agree that the issues are overblown, I disagree with your 'combat misinformation' stance since you seem to only care about misinformation from one side

You may be reading far, far more into things than it needs to be. The examples that you were talking about were pretty minor things and I don't really care about them since, as you said, no one is actually talking about them anyway. But, your counter examples were perfect examples of overblown issues chock a block with misinformation.

IOW, I didn't talk about the other examples since I hadn't seen mountains of misinformation circling around them, unlike your examples, which I had. Since the other examples are largely pointless anyway, who cares? Silence does not mean approval. Silence simply means silence. It makes conversation much more productive if you don't start ascribing motives to things left unsaid.

 

[FrogReaver]

"5E is so big that my channel doesn't get recommended to those who are streaming TTRPG content, so I am going to stop talking about Pathfinder 2E, Call of Cthulhu, etc., and return to talking about the best subclasses you can take for your 5E game."
That's it. That's proof. That's evidence. Even if that is one content creator out of 1000, that is diminishing in the content that is available in the gaming sphere outside of D&D. And it's because the other games "aren't as big as D&D."

No. Just because d&d isn’t big doesn’t mean there would be enough audience for other game streams for them to stream there. In lieu of streaming for a different game it’s just as likely that they don’t stream anything.

That d&d has alot of players/streamers doesn’t necessitate that without d&d that that those players/streamers would play/stream another ttrpg.