DR Vs DR

[Mahali]

I thought that a creatures DR allowed them to use weapons to beat anothers DR.

IIRC the Forsaker allows this.

 

[Berk]

a creature with DR can't use a weapon to overcome another creatures DR unless that weapon is equal to or greater then said creatures DR. The Forsaker is the only class that I know of that can do this only cuz of an ability that they get that let's them treat their melee weapons as an extension of themselves.

 

[kreynolds]

I thought that a creatures DR allowed them to use weapons to beat anothers DR.

IIRC the Forsaker allows this.

So far, only the Forsaker. It's an exclusive class ability. Also, what Berk said.

 

[Zhure]

Seems to me like vorpal would require the base weapon to do damage through the DR, because generally it's about lopping heads off.

Greg

 

[kreynolds]

Seems to me like vorpal would require the base weapon to do damage through the DR, because generally it's about lopping heads off.

You don't wanna open that can of worms. You can lop a head off on a damage roll of 1? And it can be a handaxe? And it could be against a Colossal Red Dragon? And you're Medium-size?

See? Can of worms.

 

[Zhure]

You don't wanna open that can of worms. You can lop a head off on a damage roll of 1? And it can be a handaxe? And it could be against a Colossal Red Dragon? And you're Medium-size?

See? Can of worms.

No damage equals no vorpal per the rules. There's no can of worms involved. If the medium-sized creature using the handaxe against the colossal red dragon can't penetrate the DR of the red dragon's stoneskin, then the vorpal handaxe won't lop the dragon's head off. If the same creature penetrates the DR (via a critical, for instance), then the head is snicker-snacked.

Greg

 

[kreynolds]

No damage equals no vorpal per the rules.

I dare you to find the passage that says that.

 

[Zhure]

As cited earlier, DMG, page 74.

"Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack, such as injury type poision, a monk's stunning, and injury type disease. Damage reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage dealt along with an attack (such as fire damage from a fire elemental), or energy drains. Nor does it affect poisons or diseases delivered by inhalation ingestion or contact."

Vorpal wouldn't fall into the categories of "touch attack, energy damage, or energy drain. It's not a contact poison or disease.

Greg

 

[kreynolds]

As cited earlier, DMG, page 74.

We already discussed this part. There's no point in going over that passage again, you know? We have both established our opinions on it.

Vorpal wouldn't fall into the categories of "touch attack, energy damage, or energy drain.

It may not be this, but....

It's not a contact poison or disease.

It's certainly not either one of these, and both of these are the only ones that require damage to be dealt with attack. So, if it's not the first group, and it's not the second group, I dare ask, which is it?

 

[Zhure]

It would be a special effect that accompanies the attack.

Greg