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[andersml]

Hi I hope someone can help me with this question

what is an epic weapon how do you know if a weapon is epic?

in DR 10/epic ?

is like a holy avenger an epic?

thanks for your time and help

Anders.

 

[Thurbane]

From the SRD:

Epic Magic Items
While not truly an artifact, the epic magic item is a creation of such power that it surpasses other magic items. Epic magic items are objects of great power and value. The following are typical characteristics of an epic magic item. In general, an item with even one of these characteristics is an epic magic item.


Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5.
Grants an enhancement bonus to armor higher than +5.
Has a special ability with a market price modifier greater than +5.
Grants an armor bonus of greater than +10 (not including magic armor’s enhancement bonus).
Grants a natural armor, deflection, or resistance bonus greater than +5.
Grants an enhancement bonus to an ability score greater than +6.
Grants an enhancement bonus on a skill check greater than +30.
Mimics a spell of an effective level higher than 9th.
Has a caster level above 20th.
Has a market price above 200,000 gp, not including material costs for armor or weapons, material component- or experience point-based costs, or additional value for intelligent items.
An epic magic item that grants a bonus beyond those allowed for normal magic items has a higher market price than indicated by the formulas for non-epic items.

Epic magic items are not artifacts. They are not unique, though they are certainly very rare, and anyone with the proper item creation feats can build them. Even an epic magic item can never grant a dodge bonus, and the maximum inherent bonus that can be applied to an ability score is +5. An epic magic item cannot be created that uses or mimics an epic spell. A major artifact might be able to mimic such a spell, however.

 

[Aleolus]

Would intelligence count as making it epic?

 

[shilsen]

Would intelligence count as making it epic?

Nope. Most intelligent items would be non-epic ones.

 

[Aleolus]

What about Weapons of Legacy? If the character is epic level, would they count as epic weapons, since their powers grow depending on the level of the character wielding them?

 

[Kae'Yoss]

The definition of an epic magic item and what you need to overcome DR/epic have virtually nothing to do with one another. A +1 keen vorpal sword of speed and unholy power (total enhancement bonus way beyond 10) wouldn't overcome DR/epic, even though it's an epic magic item.

In order to overcome DR/epic, you'll need a weapon with an enhancement bonus of +6 or better. (That's +6 in pure enhancement bonus, not +6 total, as in +5 keen)

You can do that by getting a +6 weapon, or a +4 [critter] bane weapon and hope that the enemy in question is of the appropriate type (as bane only works against a certain type or sub-type of monsters, but increases the effective enhancement bonus by +2 (to +6) against those critters.

So, in order to get that Solar with his DR/epic and evil, you'll need a weapon that's at least +4 unholy and good outsider bane (what adds up to +7 in enhancements - a steal!)

 

[Pell-Mell]

I recently had trouble finding this too. I eventually found it in the Damage Reduction section of the Special Abilities in the SRD:

A few very powerful monsters are vulnerable only to epic weapons; that is, magic weapons with at least a +6 enhancement bonus. Such creatures’ natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

Source: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#damageReduction

Similar wording appears in the Monster Manual, pg 307, under Damage Reduction.

 

[Bad Paper]

You can do that by getting a +6 weapon, or a +4 [critter] bane weapon and hope that the enemy in question is of the appropriate type (as bane only works against a certain type or sub-type of monsters, but increases the effective enhancement bonus by +2 (to +6) against those critters.

So, in order to get that Solar with his DR/epic and evil, you'll need a weapon that's at least +4 unholy and good outsider bane (what adds up to +7 in enhancements - a steal!)

I've seen this +4 bane trick on these boards before, and it smells like cheese. You do not need the Craft Epic Arms/Armor feat to make a +4 bane weapon. To me, that says "not epic." Is there anywhere in the rules that explicitly say that a +4 bane weapon penetrates DR/epic, or is that just some extrapolation from the "+6 means epic" bit?

Tangentially related, I could not find an epic spell called "Epic Weapon" or "Greater Epic Weapon." Does one exist? I couldn't figure out how to put it together from the spell-seeds list. How would you make that one? Or must you be stuck with crafting/buying a full-time epic weapon?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I've seen this +4 bane trick on these boards before, and it smells like cheese. You do not need the Craft Epic Arms/Armor feat to make a +4 bane weapon. To me, that says "not epic."

As pointed out, just because something uses the Craft Epic Arms feat doesn't mean it will penetrate DR X/Epic. What is required - and all that is required - is a weapon with at least a +6 enhancement bonus.

Is there anywhere in the rules that explicitly say that a +4 bane weapon penetrates DR/epic, or is that just some extrapolation from the "+6 means epic" bit?

A +6 enhancement bonus will penetrate DR X/Epic. A +4 Bane weapon has an effective +6 enhancement bonus against the appropriate foe; therefore it will effectively penetrate DR X/Epic against the appropriate foe.

-Hyp.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

I've seen this +4 bane trick on these boards before, and it smells like cheese. You do not need the Craft Epic Arms/Armor feat to make a +4 bane weapon. To me, that says "not epic." Is there anywhere in the rules that explicitly say that a +4 bane weapon penetrates DR/epic, or is that just some extrapolation from the "+6 means epic" bit?

DR/Epic doesn't mean "you need a weapon that is considered an epic item, crafted with epic feats", it means "you nead an enhancement bonus of +6 or above". Bane increases the enhancement bonus by +2, so 4+2 becomes +6, and since it doesn't say otherwise, it's +6 for all intents and purposes.

Note that you'll either have to know that you'll be facing a critter of that specific monster type with DR/epic so that you can create that specific bane weapon - or create one to work against those critters in general - works if you know that you'll facing that kind of beastie often, or if you really hate them - and get lucky if it does show up.

Tangentially related, I could not find an epic spell called "Epic Weapon" or "Greater Epic Weapon." Does one exist? I couldn't figure out how to put it together from the spell-seeds list. How would you make that one? Or must you be stuck with crafting/buying a full-time epic weapon?

I looked through the seeds and there's indeed no explicit seed to create that. If the DM allows it, you could extrapolate it from other seeds. Fortify could work.

Other than that, you're stuck with an epic weapon (or a bane weapon for each category )