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[Infiniti2000]

An example of something that does is this little minor artifact: ring of elemental command.

I'm familiar with that one, but you could have at least quoted my entire comment. Btw, did your PC get that item in the same exact place that the druid Verilia in my party did?

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Think of it as this: DR/Epic doesn't need an epic weapon. It requires a +6 Weapon. There's epic weapons, and weapons that can overcome /Epic

Since DR/+1 through +5 are now called /Magic, they needed something to call DR/+6 and above. Since DR/Magic-that-is-plus-six-or-better looked ugly, they went for DR/Epic.

Not every weapon that is an epic weapon can overcome /Epic, since epic weapons are those of +6 or better (which does overcome), weapons witha total enhancement of +11 or more even if they don't have a pure enhancement bonus of +6 (and if they don't have that +6, they don't overcome /Epic), or a weapon that is neither +6 pure, nor +11 in total, but has other stuff that kicks its price above 200.000 (and that won't overcome /Epic, either)

Not every weapon that overcomes /Epic is an epic weapon, since +4 Bane will be enough to fulfill the +6 you need, and such a weapon (+5 in total), isn't epic.

 

[Bad Paper]

I'm familiar with that one, but you could have at least quoted my entire comment. Btw, did your PC get that item in the same exact place that the druid Verilia in my party did?

possibly. I recall you ramping up to send your party off to Acheron somewhere, so yes, it is probable that we are thinking of the same ring. The one in my campaign adorns the finger of the Fighter/Holy Liberator. It's great fun to see this quasi-paladin call down a flame strike on demons. yay!

So I looked at the Fortify seed, and as far as I can tell, you can make a twenty-hour +10 Epic Weapon spell for DC 37, or DC 57 if you want the casting time down to one action. (I assume that's "standard action")

I've been thinking about this, and realized that if you create CL20 greater magic weapon under the Epic Spellcasting rules, then you're looking at a DC 47 Epic spell...equal to a third/fourth level spell slot. That's just silly. I guess this exposes the weirdness of Epic Spellcasting (plenty of threads on that, let's not start one here), but still, it's silly.

 

[Bad Paper]

Theres also the Transmuting enhancement in MiC (+2) - it seems more versatile, not limited to materials or alignment. It simply says "the weapon transforms, taking on the properties required to overcome that creature's damage reduction".

yeah, I've been poking around the MIC, and this particular weapon quality rubs me three wrong ways:

1) no way is this thing only a +2 enhancement
2) no way is this thing getting through DR/Epic
3) no way is this thing getting through DR/-

but that's the way it's written. Andy Collins strikes again. <sigh>

 

[Kae'Yoss]

I wouldn't say that it overcomes /-, since there is no material that cna pierce it. I agree with the epic part, but that's easily changed - just say that epic is the exception.

The +2 isn't too cheap in my opinion: You'll lose a whole round while the thing adjusts to the enemy.

 

[UltimaGabe]

There are 2 very simple, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY SIMPLE ways of resolving this that seems to complelty baffle the R&D guys at WotC.

1. Change DR/Epic to DR/+6. That fixes it right there. Switch 4 Letters to a Symbol & a Number. If its Epic & under +6 No Confusion. If its not Epic, but +6, No Confusion. No confusion about Weapons of Legacy, Intelligent Items, or Artifacts.

If they are not +6, not gonna work.

This is the fastest, simplest & most in tune with the DR/Epic description in the MM.


2. Define Epic. One Definition. Stick with it. Go with the one from the Craft Epic Items Feats or the MM DR Definition. (as the DR has no guidelines for creation, or Modifiers over +10; the Epic Feats one is the way to go).

An Epic Weapon is one created by the Craft Epic Arms & Armor Feat. Anything Else just won't cut it.

I think you're making it a much bigger issue than it needs to be. Nothing needs to be changed- there really isn't that much confusion. No more confusion, anyway, than DR of /Evil- by looking at it, you'd think, "Oh, only Evil creatures can overcome its damage reduction!" but no, if you read the DR descriptions (which is never a bad idea), you see that you need an evil weapon, such as a +1 Unholy weapon. And I'm willing to bet that FAR more people have been confused by /Evil DR than /Epic DR (seriously, how often is /Epic DR encountered?). By your logic, WotC should change the definition of "Evil", or they should make it "/Weapons-that-are-Unholy-or-wielded-by-creatures-with-the-Evil-Descriptor".

See? It's not quite as simple, or as big of a deal, as you made it, is it?

 

[Goolpsy]

dr/Evil is simle -.- dr/epic isn't the epic dr is one big confusion...

 

[UltimaGabe]

dr/Evil is simle -.- dr/epic isn't the epic dr is one big confusion...

It's hardly confusing. If you read the description for DR/Epic, it says you need a +6 or better weapon to beat it. It's not like it's hidden anywhere. Trust me, FAR more people get DR/Evil wrong than DR/Epic. If you bother to check the DR description, it tells it in plain english. (Unless you're reading the book in a different language.)