Dragon Disciple question

[Krystoff]

A couple quick questions about Dragon Disciples.

If I go into the PC from bard, does my Hit Die go from a D6 to a D4 for the first couple levels until I get my increase to a D6 or does my HD just increase from a D6 to a D8 where it says increase to D6?

Also, would it be good to take a couple of rogue levels in there even though it means I would get to the PC later? Like say 3 levels of Rogue with 4 levels of Sorc to get 2nd level spells, Evasion and Uncanny dodge? Not sure if I did the requirments correctly though with the 8 ranks of knowledge arcana needed.

Just thinking of taking this class, though I would check with you guys!

 

[Taloras]

The first level you can take this class is 5th(character level, not class level), and thats -only- if you have Knowledge Arcana as a class skill for all classes you take. Rogues do not get this. So youd have to still have 5 levels of sorceror to get the requirement. As for your hit die, you use whatever hit die is for those levels. DD starts out with a d4, so you use a d4 for the levels till it increases, then you use a d6.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The first level you can take this class is 5th(character level, not class level), and thats -only- if you have Knowledge Arcana as a class skill for all classes you take.

That's not at all true, and you need to read how multiclassing affects skill Max ranks again.

-Hyp.

 

[Taloras]

That's not at all true, and you need to read how multiclassing affects skill Max ranks again.

-Hyp.

EDIT: Nevermind, i forgot.....4 levels sorc, 3 levels rogue....yea, that would get it.

 

[Crothian]

You forget. if you need 8 ranks, and your max ranks are your class levels +3, then you have to be character level 5.

Right, but not all of them need to have the skill as a class skill. In fact only one of them does.

 

[Hypersmurf]

EDIT: Nevermind, i forgot.....4 levels sorc, 3 levels rogue....yea, that would get it.

One level or sorcerer and four of rogue would do it.

-Hyp.

 

[Brekki]

The increasing dice for the dragon disciple class work only for levels in that class.

Taking some rogue levels could be nice, it all depends on how you want to play the character.

The more casterlevels you have before going DD, the higher level the bonus spells from DD will be, so that's another thing.

The least amount of casting needed to go in is one level of bard or sorceror. You can do with the other levels whatever you want. Fill it with more casterlvls, take fighterlevels, or maybe even a completely different casterclass.

I once saw a Sorcerer1/Paladin 5 going into DD, all bonus spells became first level paladin spells

 

[SpikeyFreak]

The increasing dice for the dragon disciple class work only for levels in that class.

Taking some rogue levels could be nice, it all depends on how you want to play the character.

The more casterlevels you have before going DD, the higher level the bonus spells from DD will be, so that's another thing.

The least amount of casting needed to go in is one level of bard or sorceror. You can do with the other levels whatever you want. Fill it with more casterlvls, take fighterlevels, or maybe even a completely different casterclass.

I once saw a Sorcerer1/Paladin 5 going into DD, all bonus spells became first level paladin spells

Actually you don't need any caster levels.

IIRC, gnomes meet the requirements. A gnome barbarian could take the PrC (if he takes Cosmopolitan <- that's a nice little contradictory image).

--Unsure Spikey

 

[Hypersmurf]

IIRC, gnomes meet the requirements. A gnome barbarian could take the PrC (if he takes Cosmopolitan <- that's a nice little contradictory image).

Or "Educated"

I don't think I agree, though. They can cast three cantrips, each once per day. If they were spontaneous casters, they could choose to cast three Dancing Lights, for example, or two Ghost Sounds and a Prestidigitation.

Also, given that a gnome's favoured class is Illusionist, my instinct is to treat their cantrips more like spells prepared with Spell Mastery than spontaneous spells.

But it's far from clear-cut!

-Hyp.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

I don't think I agree, though. They can cast three cantrips, each once per day. If they were spontaneous casters, they could choose to cast three Dancing Lights, for example, or two Ghost Sounds and a Prestidigitation.

The requirement to become a Dragon Dicsciple is not to be a spontaneous caster. It is to be able to cast arcane spells without preparation. I have no reason (yet) to believe that gnomes have to prepare their daily racial spells, which would mean that they do indeed meet that qualification.