Dragonborn/Tiefling- which campaign setting?

[broghammerj]

And why do you think dragonborn and tieflings will be rare and bizarre? When you are the DM you can decide yourself what status the races have in your campaign.

I hear where you are coming from. It's the DM's world. The problem is that myself and many others like me have used FR or GH as a point of reference for 20+ yrs. I have an impression of what the world is like and it doesn't include Tieflings or Dragonborns. I realize that Tieflings are in FR, but they're not extensively used or written about hence my sense of rarity. No amount of spontaneous handwaving will change that.

You can change timelines, change events in "current" history for both worlds, but you can't rewrite gaming history.

Again no real issues with the concepts of Dragonborn or Teiflings, just think they should exist in and expansion or be part of some other campaign setting.

 

[Jinete]

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Fitting them into existing campaigns wouldbe a bit harder but even there they don't have to be rare and bizarre. Just because every PC race so far looked like a human doesn't mean that all PC races have to.

Dragonborn and Tieflings will fit in every setting in which the average mom lets her kids play with the kid next door that has horns and a tail. And the other one, the one with the lizard head and big teeth. And claws.

Because having to convince the villagers you're not a monster is fun. Once or twice.

 

[Derren]

You simply have to be open for something new. This "Dragonborn" don't fit into D&D core is just the first shock because they are new. But run your first campaign where dragonborn are normal people and accepted the same way as elves are accepted and it will vanish.

Also with all the Feyri and other demon-elves and demon-whatever in the FR introducing tieflings as "people whos ancestors somehow stole powers from demons" shouldn'tbe different. Descendants from the ancient Immskari seems to be the perfect people to make into tieflings.

Dragonborn and Tieflings will fit in every setting in which the average mom lets her kids play with the kid next door that has horns and a tail. And the other one, the one with the lizard head and big teeth. And claws.

When humans and tieflings/dragonborn coexisted for several hundered years and even have lived in the same cities/towns as you imply that shouldn't be much of a problem. Sure there will be racism, but not much more than towards elves and dwarfs.

 

[Khuxan]

Dragonborn and Tieflings will fit in every setting in which the average mom lets her kids play with the kid next door that has horns and a tail. And the other one, the one with the lizard head and big teeth. And claws.

Because having to convince the villagers you're not a monster is fun. Once or twice.

If the average mum lets her kids play with the dumb son of a raging bloodthirsty rapist orc, I don't think one with scales will be any worse.

 

[Jinete]

If the average mum lets her kids play with the dumb son of a raging bloodthirsty rapist orc, I don't think one with scales will be any worse.

Mommy, mommy, Johnny bit me!
Oh stop your whining already, how bad could it OH MY GOD!!!

 

[Jinete]

When humans and tieflings/dragonborn coexisted for several hundered years and even have lived in the same cities/towns as you imply that shouldn't be much of a problem. Sure there will be racism, but not much more than towards elves and dwarfs.

I have an idea of a standard fantasy setting, and I've had it even before I started playing D&D. It doesn't involve Tieflings and Dragonborn living amongst humans, dwarves and elves. Mostly because they look scary and outworldish and well, monstrous. I'm just racist that way.

Now if they were a playable race in the MM (and by playable I mean no LA), I'd maybe give one of them a shot. But I'd create a Dragonborn Paladin fully expecting to be treated differently than a human paladin.

But since Dragonborn and Tiefs in the PHB, I expect to play a Tiefling Warlock and every NPC to be cool about me being horned and fiendish and all. And it clashes with my idea of standard fantasy. And I don't like that.

 

[Derren]

And what formed your idea of standard fantasy setting? LotR? Does that mean D&D is only allowed to contain LotR races?

 

[Klaus]

I wonder why so few people are willing to let fantasy be fantastic.

 

[Psion]

Since Dragonborn and Tieflings are now part of the core-books, would anyone care to explain which campaign settings they will fit into?

As tieflings have already demonstrated with FR, give a designer a big enough mallet, he'll hammer it into any setting you choose.

 

[Psion]

I wonder why so few people are willing to let fantasy be fantastic.

When you put the same fantastic element in every game, it becomes normal. Blase even.

I still remember when half-dragons were cool. :\