Dragonborn Warforged

[nobodez]

I was looking through Races of the Dragon and I noticed that the prerequisites for the Dragonborn ceremony say nothing of the type, and the conversion sidebar also says nothing of the type (except that it is kept). So, can you have a Dragonborn Warforged by the RAW?

 

[Iku Rex]

It's kind of fuzzy. Like you said, the actual rules text says nothing about a type prerequsite. But the introdcution mentions "humanoids" several times.

The Platinum Dragon foreswore breeding creatures to oppose Tiamat's spawn, instead accepting humanoid volunteers to his righteous cause. [...] Such humanoids give up their racial identity and are born anew.

 

[Patlin]

Can't rely on flavor text. Why shouldn't Bahamut also accept warforged?

 

[ValhallaGH]

Are you trying to imply that a draconic deity, or even a 'lowly' draconic archmage, can't rework the organic components of a warforged with draconic elements?

As long as a warforged can meet all of the requirements for the template, he can acquire the template. The only reason you don't find lycanthropic and vampiric 'forged are because those templates can only be applied to humanoids and giants or monsterous humanoids (respectively).

 

[nobodez]

Thanks guys, hopefully I'll be able to use this thread, along with my DM, to create an interesting character.

 

[Drowbane]

Interesting concept. I would suppose that yes, 'forged can become Dragonborn. Then lose so much though.

edit: one of these days I want to make a Warforged Deathmaster 20... nothing like an Unliving Construct... lich

 

[Palladion]

A dragonborn warforged would be a either a Medium construct (dragonblood, living construct) or a Medium humanoid (dragonblood, living construct), the rules (RotD page 8 and 10) contradict each other. Regardless, most of a warforged's natural abilities are derived from the living construct subtype (ECS page 23). They lose composite plating (thereby no longer qualifying for "Body" feats technically), light fortification, and natural slam attack.

However, to hear the Platinum Dragon's call (RotD page 8) is impossible since the deities of Eberron (and Bahamut is a constellation) do not speak to their worshippers. Divine power is garnered from faith rather from the gods themselves (Faiths of Eberron, page 7). Also, warforged cannot complete the Rite of Rebirth since they cannot sleep (RotD page 8).

An interesting exercise in rules, ultimately up to the DM of the campaign.

 

[HeavenShallBurn]

Actually I find that highly interesting as a concept. Especially if you turn it around sort of like a reverse cyborg or some such. That which was machine(kinda) becomes living. The sheer turmoil, confusion, of what was essentially an intelligent golem becoming a living humanoid. That has more hooks that a squid jigger. I mean think about some of those things he's never known or experienced and suddenly they all just hit him with no experience of how to handle them.

 

[ValhallaGH]

The type confusion seems to be from poorly chosen words. It appears that the writers assumed that everyone who would acquire the template would be Humanoid, without realizing that the template could be applied to other creature types. Which is narrow-minded and annoying but not especially troubling.

Actually I find that highly interesting as a concept. Especially if you turn it around sort of like a reverse cyborg or some such. That which was machine(kinda) becomes living. The sheer turmoil, confusion, of what was essentially an intelligent golem becoming a living humanoid. That has more hooks that a squid jigger. I mean think about some of those things he's never known or experienced and suddenly they all just hit him with no experience of how to handle them.

Such as what?

Warforged have:

• Emotions
• All five senses
• Friends
• Loved ones
• "Families", or as much as any other orphan
• Religions
• Pain
• Joy
• Functioning biologies

What more would they acquire from becoming Dragonborn?

P.S. Warforged aren't eligible because the ritual requires sleep, which they don't do. Elves have the same problem. Unless you consider the ritual sleep to be a divine effect. Gods can make all sorts of impossible things happen.

 

[Moon-Lancer]

elves are the example illustations for dragon born though, and i think they even have a example of an elf, so the sleep thing isnt an issue really. perhaps by sleep they really mean rest.

war forged are also in mm3 as a player charicter race, so they can exist outside of ebberon.

man i so want to play one now... although i admit, i probably would get sick of him in a few levels, but it would be fun for awhile.