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Dragonlance based on Mormonism?!?

Legatus_Legionis

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As much as I would love to see a DragonLance trilogy of movies based off the best selling Chronicles (think Lord of the Rings, only not so dark)...

Due to the number of stories and complexity, I think a Game of Thrones type TV series would be best (except for how they ended GoT, now that was Horrible).
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
I just realized this thread was started while I was
As much as I would love to see a DragonLance trilogy of movies based off the best selling Chronicles (think Lord of the Rings, only not so dark)...

Due to the number of stories and complexity, I think a Game of Thrones type TV series would be best (except for how they ended GoT, now that was Horrible).
With The Wheel of Time and the Witcher getting series I could see this happening. Does Hulu have a fantasy series yet?
 

PabloM

Explorer
Yes, Dragonlance has very clear allusions and parallels to what Latter-day Saints call "The Restoration". It was done very deliberately as designed by Tracy and Laura when they drove from Utah to work in Wisconsin (at TSR.) I was a toddler at the time, but I've heard the story often.

It's not an attempt to inject "Mormon" philosophy into fantasy, but to act as a great foundation for an epic story. That being said, I know Tracy loves to hear when people say that these books have drawn them closer to their faith, whatever faith they hold.

In the end, Margret and Tracy wrote these stories to inspire good in people (and to support their families in the process). I love and am grateful to both of them for that lasting example and those wonderful books.

-Curtis Hickman
Thank you for sharing this, it is always a pleasure to know a little more about how the Krynn principle was cooked.
 

Zardnaar

Adventurer
Even if it is so what? D&D has biblical references in it, resurrection, sticks to snakes, walk on water etc.

As long as something isn't to on the nose about it or is upfront about it if it is eh.

Dragonlance lost me after the second cataclysm.
 

ParanoydStyle

Peace Among Worlds
Watch your language, please. This is a kid-friendly site.
My apologies. I had grown reliant upon the substitution filter and thought the relevant part of the word would become smiley faces, like they did on the old forums.

That said it is pretty hard to discuss anything related to the musical The Book of Mormon in a way that is swear free or kid friendly, as I'm sure you know since you've seen it.

I'll be more careful in the future.
 

ParanoydStyle

Peace Among Worlds
I do have the most incurable potty mouth of anyone I've ever met, so if I do slip again please know it's not me defying Morrus, just like I said, a slip. But I'll try to avoid any slips. (LOL after saying that I dropped an f bomb in this very post but I caught it and went back and edited it lol.)

Even if it is so what? D&D has biblical references in it, resurrection, sticks to snakes, walk on water etc.

As long as something isn't to on the nose about it or is upfront about it if it is eh.
The so what is that, while as I said, anecdotally every Mormon I've ever met was super nice, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints really doesn't have a great track record ("I BELIEVE IN 1978 GOD CHANGED HIS MIND ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE" to quote the musical), plus there's that whole effed up polygamy compound life thing which I've watched several documentaries on. Now, virtually every Christian sect has done horrible things in their history. All that's unique about LDS is that they've done deplorable stuff (again, mainly referring to the fundies living on the compounds with like 86 wives) within the last century.
 

Zardnaar

Adventurer
I do have the most incurable potty mouth of anyone I've ever met, so if I do slip again please know it's not me defying Morrus, just like I said, a slip. But I'll try to avoid any slips. (LOL after saying that I dropped an f bomb in this very post but I caught it and went back and edited it lol.)



The so what is that, while as I said, anecdotally every Mormon I've ever met was super nice, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints really doesn't have a great track record ("I BELIEVE IN 1978 GOD CHANGED HIS MIND ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE" to quote the musical), plus there's that whole effed up polygamy compound life thing which I've watched several documentaries on. Now, virtually every Christian sect has done horrible things in their history. All that's unique about LDS is that they've done deplorable stuff (again, mainly referring to the fundies living on the compounds with like 86 wives) within the last century.
That's why I said be upfront. If you don't like it don't buy in.

I'm not religious myself but a lot if religious stuff makes great fantasy stories, movies etc.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The so what is that, while as I said, anecdotally every Mormon I've ever met was super nice, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints really doesn't have a great track record ....

I think it is time for you to read the Terms and Rules.

Specifically, in the section Keep it on topic: "And in this category I should mention the "no religion, no politics" rule -- please refrain from discussion of a religious or political nature. This last may seem a rather draconic rule, but it has helped keep the peace around here for a long time. "

Let me make this clear, to everyone - This thread is not an invitation to point out bad things about a religion. Please, do not continue to do so.
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
Dragonlance lost me after the second cataclysm.
Likewise.
I'm not religious myself but a lot if religious stuff makes great fantasy stories, movies etc.
This is why I prefer the term Mythology (and mormonism absolutely has a mythology). You can look at how Mormon Mythology influenced games, books, movies, tv etc without discussing religions specifically or in general just like we can talk about Hercules, Thor, Samson, and Goliath without talking about the merits or pitfalls of Greco or Norse paganism or Judaism.

For example. I think Tolkien's Legendarium is an amazing blend of Catholic outlook and Northern European myth and I think that is part of its enduring appeal.
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
Now, virtually every Christian sect has done horrible things in their history. All that's unique about LDS is that they've done deplorable stuff (again, mainly referring to the fundies living on the compounds with like 86 wives) within the last century.
That's not unique. However this is the wrong place for me to detail out other sects and religions deplorable stuff from the last few decades. A few moments of reflection should bring some to mind. But this is the last I'll mention it.
 

Zardnaar

Adventurer
Likewise.

This is why I prefer the term Mythology (and mormonism absolutely has a mythology). You can look at how Mormon Mythology influenced games, books, movies, tv etc without discussing religions specifically or in general just like we can talk about Hercules, Thor, Samson, and Goliath without talking about the merits or pitfalls of Greco or Norse paganism or Judaism.

For example. I think Tolkien's Legendarium is an amazing blend of Catholic outlook and Northern European myth and I think that is part of its enduring appeal.
I generally only use mythology on extinct religions, it's just a respect thing for people who are religious.

The had a 3pp biblical 3E setting. Might have been called Testament or something like that. IDK if it's any good or not but it's upfront about what it is.

Tolkeins a good example, wasn't aware Hickman's was a Mormon. I knew BSG free more heavily on the book of Mormon.
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
I generally only use mythology on extinct religions, it's just a respect thing for people who are religious.
This is tricky due to modern revivals such Asatru or Odinism. What was once ancient is again sacred to living people.

This is why I try to separate even an active religion's myths from a member of said religions beliefs and even further from a church's practices. So I can discuss the former alone and respect or honestly ignore the latter two.
 

Zardnaar

Adventurer
This is tricky due to modern revivals such Asatru or Odinism. What was once ancient is again sacred to living people.

This is why I try to separate even an active religion's myths from a member of said religions beliefs and even further from a church's practices. So I can discuss the former alone and respect or honestly ignore the latter two.
True but there's not really enough if them and the revivals are probably not that authentic compared to the originals.

I know they're reviving some of the Roman ones as well,I think Sol Invictus is one.
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
True but there's not really enough if them and the revivals are probably not that authentic compared to the originals.
Even though I agree with you, I think that statement could very well be likely to come off as disrespectful to a member of such a revival.
 
There are tons of fantasy works influenced by religion. Lord of the Rings, Narnia, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, and so on. Not surprised that Dragonlance follows suit. Though certainly, as a kid I didn’t grok to that (nor, honestly, as an adult, when I re-read the first two trilogies a few years ago).

As an aside, I’ve been thinking about running the original Dragonlance modules…if I can find away to uncouple them from the railroad, and allow the players to run their own characters.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
True but there's not really enough if them and the revivals are probably not that authentic compared to the originals.
Um... yeah, that's not good logic. "There aren't many of you, so I don't have to give you respect," seems practical, but in form it is saying that minority people don't matter, and that's problematic.

So, you know, maybe it is better to at least try to be respectful, in general.
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
At a minimum I would suggest that dead religions pass into the commons. Reviving a religion and claiming other people should not talk unfavourably about the object of that religion (historically worshiped gods or concepts) is akin to walking into common land, putting some stakes down, and then telling everyone else to keep their mitts off what "belongs" to you.
 

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