Dragonlance Dragonlance cataclysm and a bit about Paladine

[GMforPowergamers]

Hal absolutely replaced Allen for decades. Allen ceased to exist until decades later when he was shunted to Earth-2.

very much and kyle needed to kill villainize or depower all the others for a decade...

So in 2035, we can reintroduce Goldmoon on Kyrnn-2.

that would be how that analogy works

MOGO WOULD LIKE A WORD.

Mogo, Killawag, Soranik, picklehead, ch'p and many other alien lanterns are cool... but GUY is the man.

(followed by jessica, john, alan, jade, almost every other earth lantern* then those two truck drivers that stole hal and guys rings that time, then gnort, then every other lantern* then modern Hal... at the bottom of the list)

 

[DarkCrisis]

Hal absolutely replaced Allen for decades. Allen ceased to exist until decades later when he was shunted to Earth-2.

So in 2035, we can reintroduce Goldmoon on Kyrnn-2.

MOGO WOULD LIKE A WORD.

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[Reynard]

I will never not be shocked that people take umbrage with the good gods bringing the hurt. I mean, it is literally part of most every religion as far back as we have evidence. It is a defining feature of human mythology.

 

[Vaalingrade]

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Looks like someone came to the party looking for some punch. I'm sure Bruce will be happy to serve.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I will never not be shocked that people take umbrage with the good gods bringing the hurt. I mean, it is literally part of most every religion as far back as we have evidence. It is a defining feature of human mythology.

This is assuming everyone is okay with those times too.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I will never not be shocked that people take umbrage with the good gods bringing the hurt. I mean, it is literally part of most every religion as far back as we have evidence. It is a defining feature of human mythology.

there is a TV show called the west wing that debunks "if it's in thhe book it's good" theory with slavery stoneing and many other CRIMES

 

[Reynard]

there is a TV show called the west wing that debunks "if it's in thhe book it's good" theory with slavery stoneing and many other CRIMES

Sure. But did that surprise and upset you in any way? Of course not. We all know the deal.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Sure. But did that surprise and upset you in any way? Of course not. We all know the deal.

yeah the deal is stories written today don'tlable objectivly good things that were labled that way back in BCs

 

[Reynard]

yeah the deal is stories written today don'tlable objectivly good things that were labled that way back in BCs

I mean, people still read and adhere to that stuff. it isn't vaguely remembered stuff from middle school. it is real, everyday in your face stuff, culturally speaking.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I mean, people still read and adhere to that stuff. it isn't vaguely remembered stuff from middle school. it is real, everyday in your face stuff, culturally speaking.

wait... what are YOU talking about?

there is a TV show called the west wing that debunks "if it's in thhe book it's good" theory with slavery stoneing and many other CRIMES

slavery stoneing or other crimes? and what one of these things do you think WotC wants to be associated with?

 

[Reynard]

wait... what are YOU talking about?

slavery stoneing or other crimes? and what one of these things do you think WotC wants to be associated with?

I was trying to avoid breaking rules. What I am saying is that the main religions still culturally pervasive today include and embrace events exactly like the Cataclysm, so it is a bit baffling when folks who live in societies literally built around those stories grasp their pearls that such a thing exists in D&D.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I was trying to avoid breaking rules. What I am saying is that the main religions still culturally pervasive today include and embrace events exactly like the Cataclysm, so it is a bit baffling when folks who live in societies literally built around those stories grasp their pearls that such a thing exists in D&D.

I live in the wester world (although the east coast of the US) and I don't know many (even preachers) that take the bible as 100% word for word. Where I am sure there ARE people that want to hold up the religious books with no eye for evolution of morality, I don't think it is common, and I know of no large companies that would want to risk being associated with such.

Again, I don't want to talk about real world stuff... I don't want to talk about real world religion. I want to talk about the game of make believe about elves and dragons.

 

[Reynard]

I want to talk about the game of make believe about elves and dragons.

Me too.

Why does it seem out of genre or otherwise weird for such a world populated by very real gods, that those gods might smash a corrupt society?

 

[billd91]

I will never not be shocked that people take umbrage with the good gods bringing the hurt. I mean, it is literally part of most every religion as far back as we have evidence. It is a defining feature of human mythology.

Because, on the internet, Good must be absolutely perfect or it’s not Good. It comes up time and time again on gamer boards and in alignment debates.

 

[Greenstone.Walker]

So the retcon was that the Gods gave mortals multiple chances to redeem themselves and each try failed. Eventually, they decided to turn Istar off and on again in the hopes they would learn their lesson.

It's still very tough love (and I don't think it will dissuade anyone who saw them as evil) but it did soften it by saying "we kept giving you a chance, you kept blowing it."

I get this vibe from the books. Over and over, the peoples of Krynn learn the wrong lessons from history, particularly from the actions of the gods.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Me too.

Why does it seem out of genre or otherwise weird for such a world populated by very real gods, that those gods might smash a corrupt society?

because the good alignment out of game says they wont... so gods that aren't good should/would/could gods that are good should be questioned VERY hard the same as if a PC of good alignment tried to kill a town to get the evil mayor.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Because, on the internet, Good must be absolutely perfect or it’s not Good. It comes up time and time again on gamer boards and in alignment debates.

maybe if you see it come up time and time again you might consider there is a portion of the base that actually believes it.

 

[Scribe]

maybe if you see it come up time and time again you might consider there is a portion of the base that actually believes it.

"One True Way."

 

[GMforPowergamers]

"One True Way."

as apposed to YOUR one true way...

 

[Scribe]

as apposed to YOUR one true way...

Not in the least. I just know LE when I see it.