Dragonlance Dragonlance Philosophy thread

[Paul Farquhar]

now show me a societie in 5e that excepts mass murder or mind control as good and is out of game labled as good.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I thought this was the philosophy thread.

of a game not a real person. in the real world we all have 1 POV (our own) in the game there is an overview POV (the reader/player/writer)
like this... in the story of superman or captain america, I am INSIDE the mind and history of superman and cap. I know they are paragons of good. In real life if someone showed up with powers above the ability of a normal person we would be outsiders looking and HOPEING they are paragons of good, but in the really real world we would know that is pretty unheard of.
So in a movie, novel or comic I can say "We don't need someone to watch or counter superman, he's superman" in the real world I could NEVER feel that way no matter how much good the person did.

Now back to games, so when in game in character I see these things, in game in character I can wonder and have some mental gymnastics... out of game looking at statblocks and write ups on the other hand there are objective qualities of good and evil

 

[GMforPowergamers]

So you would be cool with someone dropping a big rock on your neighborhood because one guy was a tax cheat?

hey it doesn't matter if my drone strike takes out 3 or 4 innocent families with kids if I get the terrorist right? that's good now right?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

none of those are in 5e try again

edit: and don't bring up real world religions please

 

[Vaalingrade]

This may seem like an irrelevant aside, but, speaking as an Atheist, I don't think it does the atheist cause any good for people to attack the teachings of religions with the same level of virulence and fanaticism as the worst kind of fundamentalist.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A GAME

You guys are the ones trying to draw a line to real world religions to try and make a cheap point.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

none of those are in 5e try again

edit: and don't bring up real world religions please

This thread isn't about 5e. Try again.

 

[billd91]

I am not going any further with this... killing a lot of innocent people can be shades of grey needed... it can be utilitarian, it can not be GOOD as described by D&D 5e.
I wish to discus the game not some real world hypothetical.

Sure, a particular act may not be good - it may even be monstrous. But how much does it determine the overall alignment of the being that did it? This is why the whole "good must be perfect" issue is just the paladin trapfall writ large.
Is alignment defined by one act? Is it defined by an overall review of a being's acts, sentiments, and motives?

 

[DarkCrisis]

I don't know what's worse. A religious person who thinks they know the ins and outs of religion and morality or a non-religious person who thinks the same thing. Guess both aren't so far removed from each other.

 

[Vaalingrade]

"good must be perfect"

Mass murder is not an imperfection.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A GAME

You guys are the ones trying to draw a line to real world religions to try and make a cheap point.

No, YOU GUYS are trying to say that a major company should use a game to condemn the teachings of several major world religions as OBJECTIVELY EVIL.

The line is there and inescapable: If something is OBJECTIVELY evil in a game, it is also OBJECTIVELY evil in real life. That's what OBJECTIVELY means.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

This thread isn't about 5e. Try again.

then what do you want to talk about OTHER then 5e reframing of Dragonlance? cause that is what I am talking about

 

[GMforPowergamers]

No, YOU GUYS are trying to say that a major company should use a game to condemn the teachings of several major world religions as OBJECTIVELY EVIL.

The line is there and inescapable: If something is OBJECTIVELY evil in a game, it is also OBJECTIVELY evil in real life. That's what OBJECTIVELY means.

give up on real world religions please... this is a game board about a game of pretend elves and dragons, not real world religion.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

then what do you want to talk about OTHER then 5e reframing of Dragonlance? cause that is what I am talking about

I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe you. Everything you have said leads me to believe that you want to use Dragonlance as an excuse to attack religious belief. I do not believe you are incapable of understanding that the one automatically follows from the other.

After all, if it where only a game, why would you care so much?!

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe you. Everything you have said leads me to believe that you want to use Dragonlance as an excuse to attack religious belief. I do not believe you are incapable of understanding that the one automatically follows from the other.

After all, if it where only a game, why would you care so much?!

This is now a personal attack. I didn't bring up real religon YOU did. YOU made this weird then accused me of attacking someone's religious beliefs.
THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE... like, no one here wants to talk about religion, we want to talk about the GAME of Dragonlance published by WotC to 5e.

 

[billd91]

give up on real world religions please... this is a game board about a game of pretend elves and dragons, not real world religion.

Nor is it about real history, nor does it include moral issues of real impact. So what's the big deal about a cataclysm in its history that sets up the current situation?

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don't see how 2 voices that were involved 30 years ago matter to me.

Sure. And I don't see how the opinion of a few people on ENWorld about the Cataclysm matter to me. But here we both are.

 

[Xamnam]

This is gonna get red texted real fast if people don't back off from each other.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Nor is it about real history, nor does it include moral issues of real impact. So what's the big deal about a cataclysm in its history that sets up the current situation?

all I want to do is talk about a game.
I want to talk about (what I think) is a simple fix to a game product from 30+ years ago.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

This is gonna get red texted real fast if people don't back off from each other.

I hope so, since I was just insulted and said that I am attacking someone's religious beliefs over a game.

edit: infact I am asking for a Mod to weight in on weather or not I am attacking religious beliefs.

 

[Scribe]

However, I dont think the conversation can really be handled on this forum, and its generated enough ill will over the last few days