Dread necromancer spell list

[jasin]

It's pretty weird, don't you think?

It has greater dispel magic as a 5th-level spell, but no dispel magic at all.

It has planar binding and lesser planar binding, and I don't see how they fit the schtick, except for being eeevul (if you bind fiends). And yet, it doesn't have greater planar binding.

Anybody got any insight? Mouseferatu?

 

[Victim]

IIRC, they have dispel magic as a 4th level spell.

 

[jasin]

Ah, you're quite right.

Dispel magic as 4th and greater dispel as 5th is still pretty weird, though.

 

[Thurbane]

They have plenty of nifty powers and spells...sometimes linear logic needs to be nerfed for the sake of balance.

 

[Victim]

They need better than standard dispel ability at higher levels to defeat deathward, which is pretty much an off switch for most of the good spells and abilities the class has. At lower levels, they're less casty, and there's not much of a problem with deathward.

The real funny thing with the binding spells is that the Dread Necromancer doesn't have the magic circle and D-Anchor spells needed to actually bind outsiders.

 

[Gloombunny]

What really bugs me is that they get animate dead at 4th instead of 3rd. Combine that with the one-level-behind spontaneous caster issue, and the dedicated ultra-specialist necromancer class is three levels behind a freakin' cleric when it comes to making zombies. What the hell is that?

 

[phindar]

What really bugs me is that they get animate dead at 4th instead of 3rd. Combine that with the one-level-behind spontaneous caster issue, and the dedicated ultra-specialist necromancer class is three levels behind a freakin' cleric when it comes to making zombies. What the hell is that?

Well, you could take Animate Dead as one of the any necromancy spells at 3rd level. Then the ultra-specialist necromancer only has to nerf one of his class abs to be a level behind clerics.