Driving unreasonably fast (ticket rant)

Ampolitor said:
well you dont have a understanding of the law, 99% of all police departments write under the State codes which generates nothing for your department. Court costs that are paid go to county courts and the municipality, not the department.

Nevertheless, the money still just goes back into the legal system in a self perpetuating cycle. This may benefit the courts, court employees, and money hungry insurance companies, but on the whole benefits other motorists and the general public not one bit.
 

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monkeyshines said:
That's real sweet and all, but the ticket in question is for going 54 in a 25, in an at least semi-residential area. Sorry, though it's a heck of a ticket I don't have much sympathy. ;)

...and if you read the entire post you will find that I don't disagree with that.

Disclaimer: In retrospect I should point out this primarily concerns limited access divided highways. I failed to clarify that originally and may have caused some confusion. I don't think any would advocate unlimited speed limits on roads through built up areas (although I would wager that if the limits were removed 99% of the drivers on the road would continue to drive at prudent speeds).


Ampolitor said:
well you dont have a understanding of the law, 99% of all police departments write under the State codes which generates nothing for your department. Court costs that are paid go to county courts and the municipality, not the department.

If you read my post you will find that I specifically said municipality rather than department.
 
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alsih2o said:
Speed limits are there for a reason. Speeding is more dangerous to the people you share your community with than doing drugs, unsafe sex and owning a firearm combined. It sucks that you feel singled out, but it is a rule. :)

Whatever, but Memphis cops have been on a tear. 39 years old, last speeding ticket when I was 18, until the past few monthes. Had two recently.

One on Poplar between Highland and UofM. For going 45 in a 40. The other on Yates between Shady Grove and Walnut Grove. That one took the cake.

Going east on Walnut Grove I was pulled over on the I-240 overpass. Lady cop came to passenger side window and asked for my ID. Asked me if I had just been on Yates. Silly me, I said yes, the truth. She said that was too bad, she was going to have to take me to jail. I of course said "WTF?" She said I'd been clocked going 80. I said that was impossible, as I'd just pulled away from a stop sign WHEN I SAW THE CRUISER DOING RADAR. Said I couldn't have been going over 40.

That's when she said, okey-fine, here's your ticket for doing 40 in a 30 zone. (FIWI, Yates is a forty zone except for the fifty yards between it and Walnut Grove.)

Yeah, I know. Speed kills.
 

Greylock said:
Whatever, but Memphis cops have been on a tear.

You think that is bad, google "New Rome Ohio" along with speedtrap sometime.

Many years ago I got hit by the speedtraps in both Lawtey & Waldo Florida.
 

Ampolitor said:
hmmm unreasonable, well Ive been a cop for 10 years now and Yes speed limits are needed. I just worked on a woman who died last week because somebody thought that he shouldnt follow the sped limit, he blew a tire crossed traffic and killed her.
The speed limit is not set for the driver, its set for the roadway due to materials, pitch, number of access points (driveways). The speed limit is set by the towns and cities for a reason. I love when people complain about tickets, theyre supposed to make you mad and THINK, to slow down so next time were not dragging you out of a car and slapping you on a gurney.

That's the theory. The practice is something else entirely - I've seen radically different speeds assigned to equivalent sections of the road as determined by local juristictions. Something I have noted is that traffic invariably goes 5 - 10 mph over whatever the posted limit is. And it's never enforced consistently enough to make the roads any safer - indeed it can make them worse.

In Tennessee the speed limit of road construction areas is almost universally 45 MPH. When I drove a truck I'd dutifully follow it - despite the complaining over the radio. I stopped the practice after digging up some newpaper articles of major accidents being caused by speeders rear-ending vehicles actually going the limit.

Note that in TN the speed limit can drop from 70 to the 45 construction zone speed with little to no warning.

What really gets my goat though are split speed limits. These are demonstrably dangerous, yet juristictions continue to pass them. In a moment of poetic justice, a Michigan Senator's daughter was killed by hitting a semi. She was going about 72 and hit the truck with, also obeying it's speed limit, was going 55. The major problem with split speed limits is it makes the car drivers believe they are entitled to pass the truck no matter how fast it goes.

California though is the most draconian in this regard. I read an article where a California officer ticketted a driver for impeding traffic by following the speed limit and failing to allow a car to merge onto the interstate. However, in California it is illegal to drive a semi in the left lane for any reason. The driver pointed this out to the officer, who snidely remarked that yes, if the driver had changed lanes he'd have been ticketted for that and if he sped up to let the car in he'd be ticketted for that. Fortunately when the ticket was fought in court and this was revealed to the judge (and admitted to by the officer) the officer was prompty fired from his job and the case dismissed.

I can only conclude that yes, speeding tickets are a money making scheme. I've seen way too many anti-speeding campaigns coincide with budgetary shortfalls to believe otherwise. My main reason for this belief though is the following: Speeding tickets are way too low to have any detterent effect. Speeding tickets are intentionally set at an affordable price so that people won't feel too compelled to pay too much attention to it.

If I see a juristiction set speeding tickets up into the thousands of dollars / offence then I'll believe it's a safety issue. Indeed, I feel the speeding ticket fine in a construction zone should be a flat $1000 / 10 mph over the limit, doubled for workers present, doubled for commercial vehicle.
 

Krieg said:
You think that is bad, google "New Rome Ohio" along with speedtrap sometime.

Many years ago I got hit by the speedtraps in both Lawtey & Waldo Florida.
Amazing! Someone actually knows where Waldo is?! Heh, I thought only those of us in the area knew of Waldo's existance. ;)
 

Ampolitor said:
Just out of curiosity how much of your municipality's budget is made up from revenue generated from traffic violations? If your department did not write a single ticket in FY05 how much of a shortfall would there be in the budget?

well you dont have a understanding of the law, 99% of all police departments write under the State codes which generates nothing for your department. Court costs that are paid go to county courts and the municipality, not the department.

Kentucky sends the money back to the local juristiction where the ticket was issued. Ohio is known (and widely criticised in truck circles) for maintaining set quotas of tickets which must be written per month by officers.

It varies widely by state.
 

Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
Amazing! Someone actually knows where Waldo is?! Heh, I thought only those of us in the area knew of Waldo's existance. ;)

It's only because I was ticketed there for driving one mile over the speed limit on the same day that I was ticketed for driving two miles over in Lawton. :mad:

Michael Morris said:
Ohio is known (and widely criticised in truck circles) for maintaining set quotas of tickets which must be written per month by officers.

To be fair that is primarily only the OHP, and most of the county & local law enforcement agencies around the state aren't overly thrilled with the state troopers either.

My favorite line from Cannonball Run is "There's not one state in the 50 that has the death penalty for speeding...although we aren't sure about Ohio". lol
 
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I don't really have much sympathy for people who get speeding tickets. If you make the choice to speed then suck it up when you get the ticket and stop whining about how unfair it is and how it is a plot of the police to make money or the insurence companies.

There are a lot of things in this life that just don't make much sense but we have to deal with every single day. like the fact that here in Florida I pay the earth for car insurence called PIP which all it does is pay major medical if I am injured. I already have health insurence and from the stories I have heard good luck getting the insurence company to pay. But I have to have it if I want to have a tag for my car.

I live in South Florida which is a traffic nightmare. To many people not enough roads. I don't agree with a lot of the posted speed limits but since I can't afford the ticket I don't speed. I also could not afford what it would do to my insurence rates.

This is a really sore subject wirh me right now I just shelled out over 1000 dollars to help my son get his license back from all his speeding tickets not to mention that now even though he does not own a car he is required to carry car insurence a non owners policy which is more expensive than if he had a car. What a crock. But its the law and he would have been much smarter to have just cooled his jets.

An aside I also live on one of those shortcut roads. It runs the same direction as the as the main road but has no lights so people take it to avoid the zillion lights. The problem is this is an urban area with lots of kids and no fraking sidewalks. (The city thinks sidewalks detracts from the country atmosphere. Please this has not been country since the late 70. ) I can't tell you how many close calls we have because of drivers speeding through. To make matters worse a lot of people park on the road. These selfish drivers don't give a damn about the people who live on this road all they care about is shaving a few extra minutes off their driving time.
 


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