Druid Shapeshifting from PHBII and other questions

[paragondragon]

If you take the alternate class feature and get the Ferocious Slayer form, do you add the size bonus to strength, (for Med to Large its +8) as well as the natural +8 enhancement bonus to strength you get for the form. Seems a bit over powering, but hey just asking.

Secondly, if you take the warshaper prestige-class from Complete Warrior, how many times can it use morphic weapons at once, and can it really just grow tails to tail strike, tentacles to slam, or can it only enhance it already attacks. Again talking about a druid in Ferocious Slayer form using the Warshaper class. And if there isn't a limit as to how many morphic weapons you can grow, why couldn't you just use the 2nd lvl spell Fuse Arms to give yourself an insane strength bonus from all your extra natural weapons being joined together. I think we might just be using the morphic weapons wrong.

Finally, would you allow someone with a readied action to you benign transposition, 1st level spell, to have a great cleaving meleeer switch places with another party member and continue its cleave when all the targets are down around it.

Just some questions we're facing in the game and wanted to get a fresh perspective. Thanks.

 

[frankthedm]

If you take the alternate class feature and get the Ferocious Slayer form, do you add the size bonus to strength, (for Med to Large its +8) as well as the natural +8 enhancement bonus to strength you get for the form. Seems a bit over powering, but hey just asking.

What "size bonus to strength"? There is no automatic bonus to STR from changing size. The bonuses from size are +4 on certain combat manuevers and +4 on checks to force open doors. Penalties include -1 to AC and attacks and -4 to hide checks.

Monster advancement tables grant +8 str, but nothing gets to use that unless specificly called out.

Secondly, if you take the warshaper prestige-class from Complete Warrior, how many times can it use morphic weapons at once, and can it really just grow tails to tail strike, tentacles to slam, or can it only enhance it already attacks.

Depends, the druid can't use anything that requires wildshape at all.

 

[TheGogmagog]

Dire Bear has Str 31. A good +16 over what a typical Druid would have. That's also acessable at 8th level. I'm not sure how that factors into the question of whether or not you are supposed to get it, but it wouldn't seem unreasonable.

[edit]Dire Bear has 12 HD, I'm thinking you are restricted by HD (the SRD references polymorpth) In that case I'd stick with the +8 listed [/edit]

It may also be worth noting that the PHII bonuses are enhancement, and don't stack with belts/bull's strength.


I agree with the second question, as written you don't have wildshape so you can't take any feats/ prestige class abilities that require it. You may be able to adapt it to the ability with DM's help and approval.

 

[MarkB]

The warshaper prestige class simply requires an ability to change form, as I recall - even a changeling can qualify for it. However, I don't have Complete Warrior to hand, so I can't comment on specific class features.

 

[TheGogmagog]

I just checked. The warshaper morphic weapons abilities isn't limited by use per day, or wild shape ability. The PRC does have 'special' prerequisites, I assume the PHII variant qualifies. Hence, there wouldn't be any limitation of the # of uses.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

I am playing a PHBII shaper in my campaign and just read the Warshaper today!

The way I read it, you get one additional "weapon" or can upgrade an existing one you already have.

Otherwise you are going to end up with the following character...

Ferocious Slayer:
Full Attack: Bite, Claw X4, Wing X2, Tail, Gore, Tentacle...and whatever else you can dig up.

DS

 

[paragondragon]

Re-read warshaper and agree with sab. should only get to use one morphic weapon at a time. And that's okay about not getting the strength bonus for size increase, didn't think that was right either, I can still enlarge person the ferocious slayer/warshaper though and make him huge with a gargantuan bite and throw a blood wind on him and flying dragons are no trouble. Did that last game, silly black dragon.

Thanks guys, as always appreciate the insight.

 

[Christian]

Multiple magical effects that increase size don't stack.

 

[kigmatzomat]

I agree that multiple spells that say "increase size by 1 class" don't stack but if a gnome Shapeshifts (or other metamorphic spell du jour) into an Ogre (large) and then has an Enlarge cast on them, shouldn't they go to Huge size? What about if a Stone Giant (huge) Shapeshifts into an Ogre (large); can he be Enlarged?

 

[Christian]

... if a gnome Shapeshifts (or other metamorphic spell du jour) into an Ogre (large) and then has an Enlarge cast on them, shouldn't they go to Huge size?

Is Shapeshift a magical effect? Yes. Did it increase his size? Yes. Then Enlarge will have no effect.

What about if a Stone Giant (huge) Shapeshifts into an Ogre (large); can he be Enlarged?

Is Shapeshift a magical effect? Yes. Did it increase his size? No. Then Enlarge will work. Or would, if the Stone Giant/Ogre's type was Humanoid instead of Giant.