Druids and Vermin?

[zyzzyr]

Hi all,

thanks for the replies. I would have posted sooner but for some reason I can't log in at home.

You've hit the basic problem I had with vermin: they have no Int score.

However, I'm making the ruling as follows: any "animal" spells that are not mind-influencing also affect vermin: hold animal, invisibility to animals, and so on.

I've got a copy of Quintessential Druid which also allows vermin friendship and so on, but that makes no sense to me if they don't have an Int score (which I could give them, but I'd prefer not to).

I might consider the "vermin friendship" that actually gives the vermin an Int score -- that might be cool, and also open up vermin to being charmed.

Not sure to handle it yet, but thanks for the pointers!

zyzzyr

 

[Steverooo]

Repel Vermin, Anti-Life Zone spring to mind...

 

[Piratecat]

I would have posted sooner but for some reason I can't log in at home.

The solution to this is specified in the Meta forum. Email me if it isn't working.

 

[Tonguez]

I've got a copy of Quintessential Druid which also allows vermin friendship and so on, but that makes no sense to me if they don't have an Int score (which I could give them, but I'd prefer not to).
zyzzyr

Wis and Cha are both 'Mind' Stats and Vermin have both. Wis determines Will which tends to suggest that Mindaffecting spells actually refer to Wis rather than Int.

Personally I'd have Vermin Friendship be a Cha-affecting Spell (maybe it produces a pheromone that marks the Druid as 'Hive Queen') - come to think of it the 3.5 Druids wild empathy ability (aka Diplomacy for Beasties) implies a Cha base and ought to work on Vermin too