The Tangled Web (www.thetangledweb.net) is trying to set up something like that online on a weekly basis, using openRPG. Are you associated with them? If not, you ought to check them out. Look for the "Friday Night Fights" thread in the General Discussion part of their forums.
Duels of Impending DOOM! An exercise on PVP/PVE battles
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Erywin
First Post
Nope not associated at all, but its definitely a cool idea. I will have to have a look at openRPG, one of the main things I enjoy about these duels are that I get to face off against Blarg and building the characters is where I get the most enjoyment. This was originally designed as an exercise to get me used to using the Paizo statblock and generate up a bunch of characters for my regular game 
Plus I had a bunch of character concepts I wanted to try out on paper seeing as my current character is alot more survivable that I had first thought.
Thanks for the link,
E
Plus I had a bunch of character concepts I wanted to try out on paper seeing as my current character is alot more survivable that I had first thought.Thanks for the link,
E
blargney the second
blargney the minute's son
Looooooove the new statblock. After running a few chars with it in these duels, I'm converting my PCs over to it. It's so much easier to find the information I need when I need it!
Two quick questions about the Druid 5 that kicked the Barbarian's butt:
1) When did he take empower? At level 1 (when he couldn't use it), or at level 3 (when he could only use it on 0th level spells)?
2) When did he take Natural bond? At level 1 (when it had no effect) or at level 3 (when it had no effect)?
Not trying to be snarky, but when I see these builds in PvP context where the build could not conceivably survive to reach the level it strikes me as somewhat . . . skewed.
A couple of other questions: what was the terrain like that these were held on? Have you tried switching characters and re-running the battles? Do you know what the other person is making when you build yours? If one must choose first, they are at an inherant disadvantage.
1) When did he take empower? At level 1 (when he couldn't use it), or at level 3 (when he could only use it on 0th level spells)?
2) When did he take Natural bond? At level 1 (when it had no effect) or at level 3 (when it had no effect)?
Not trying to be snarky, but when I see these builds in PvP context where the build could not conceivably survive to reach the level it strikes me as somewhat . . . skewed.
A couple of other questions: what was the terrain like that these were held on? Have you tried switching characters and re-running the battles? Do you know what the other person is making when you build yours? If one must choose first, they are at an inherant disadvantage.
I'm A Banana
Potassium-Rich
Some of these characters are like boy scouts: always prepared. 
Very cool. Hope you win at least one, Erywin!
Very cool. Hope you win at least one, Erywin!
Old Gumphrey
First Post
Ok I've read about this druid vs. barb fight in at LEAST 4 threads now, why can't we move on? You have basically demonstrated that a (severely twinked) flying character with powerful magical ranged attacks will kill a melee character who has zero cover and throwing axes around 100% of the time.
Again: try the encounter in a pitch dark 20x20x10' room with combatants in either corner and tell us what happens.
Again: try the encounter in a pitch dark 20x20x10' room with combatants in either corner and tell us what happens.
Erywin
First Post
Three more builds.
Here is Blarg's Duskblade/Warblade build. In fight #6 he took on my roommate's Swashbuckler/Wizard and I played the Swordsage/Battle Sorcerer. The Swordsage managed to get them both with Hideous Laughter but lacked the ability to capitalize on it, mainly due to some really horrible roles. I managed to kill off the Swashbuckler but then Blarg slaughtered me
[sblock=Azurin Duskblade 2/Warblade 3]Male azurin duskblade 2/warblade 3
CE Medium humanoid (human, incarnum)
Init +2; Senses Listen +1, Spot +1
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AC 17, touch 12, flat-footed 15
(+2 Dex, +5 armor, uncanny dodge)
hp 44 (2d8 +3d12 +10)
Fort +8, Ref +5, Will +5
Defensive Abilities +1 vs. energy drain, inflict spells, death effects
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Spd 30 ft.
Melee +1 falchion +11 (2d4 +8 +1 acid/18-20)
Ranged sling +7 (1d4 +4, 50')
Ranged bola +3 (1d3 +4, 10')
+2 to confirm crits
Knowledge Devotion: +1 <= 15, +2 <= 25, +3 <= 30, insight to attack and damage
Spells Known (CL 0th):
1st (4)- kelgore's fire bolt, swift expedition retreat, true strike
0 (7)-
Manuevers Known (IL 4th):
Stances: blood in the water
Strikes: disarming strike, emerald razor, wolf fang strike, sapphire nightmare blade
Boosts: moment of perfect mind
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Abilities Str 18, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 12, Cha 10
Base Atk +4; Grp +10
Feats Practiced Spellcaster, Shape Soulmeld (Bloodwar Gauntlets), Knowledge Devotion, Combat Casting
Skills (ACP -1) Autohypnosis +10, Concentration +10, Spellcraft +12, Know (local) +10, Know (arcana) +10
Gear +1 falchion, least acid assault crystal, belt of strength +2, chain shirt +1, least crystal of lifekeeping
scroll of keen edge, potion of shield, scroll of obscuring mist, potion of shield of faith[/sblock]
These two haven't dueled yet but we plan on doing a combat or two with them soon. The Dragonshaman participated in the killing of two Large Red Dragons (more on this in the next post).
[sblock=Duskling Barbarian 1/Dragonshaman 4]Male duskling barbarian 1/dragonshaman 4
CN medium fey (incarnum)
Init +2; Senses low-light; Listen +0, Spot +0
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AC 19 (17), touch 12 (10), flat-footed 17 (15)
(+2 dex, +5 armor, +2 natural (+1/essentia))
hp 48 (58) (1d12 +4d10 +20)
Fort +11 (+13), Ref +4, Will +5 (+7)
Immune paralysis and sleep effects, draconic presence
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Spd 30 ft. (+5 ft./essentia)
Melee mw glaive +7 (1d10 +3 +1 acid/x3)
Melee mw glaive +9 (1d10 +6 +1 acid/x3)
Ranged mw composite longbow (+2) +7 (1d8 +2/x3)
Ranged breath weapon (3d6 acid, DC 18 (DC 20) Ref half, 1d4 recharge, 30 ft. line)
Auras Known (+1):
- Energy Shield (2x aura acid damage against natural and non-reach attacks)
- Power (1x aura extra melee damage)
- Fast Healing (1/hp round up to half hp)
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Abilities Str 14, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 14
Base Atk +4; Grp +6
Feats Shape Soulmeld (Wormtail belt), Intimidating Rage, Skill Focus (Jump)
Skills (ACP -3) Intimidate +17, Bluff +10, Jump +10
SQ Dragon Totem (Copper), Rage 1/day, Spiderclimb, Fast Movement, Essentia (1 pt.)
Gear mw glaive, mw breastplate, dragon spirit cincture, Crystal of Energy Assault (Acid), mw composite longbow (+2), Mask of Mastery, cloak of resistance +1, greataxe, net, bola (2)
potion of see invis, potion of shield (2mins), potion of shield of faith (2mins)[/sblock]
The Crusader/Cleric build is eventually going for Ruby Knight Vindicator.
[sblock=Human Crusader 1/Cleric 4]Male human crusader 1/cleric 4
LG medium humanoid (human)
Init +1; Senses Listen +2, Spot +2
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AC 23, touch 11, flat-footed 22
(+1 dex, +9 armor, +3 shield)
hp 40 (1d10 +4d8 +10)
Fort +9, Ref +3, Will +7
Defensive Abilities steely resolve 5
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Spd 20 ft.
Melee mw flail +9 (1d8 +3)
Ranged sling +5 (1d4 +3, 50 ft.)
Special Attacks furious counterstrike
Spells Known (CL 4th):
2nd - aid, bull's strength, hold person, spiritual weapon (d)
1st - longstrider (d), doom, inflict light wounds, divine favor, shield of faith,
0 - light, resistance, guidance, inflict minor wounds, mending
Maneuvers Known (IL 3rd):
Stances - martial stance
Strikes - stone bones, crusader strike, douse the flames, charging minotaur, vanguard strike
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Abilities Str 16, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 14
Base Atk +4; Grp +7
Feats Stone Power, Divine Alacrity, Extra Granted Maneuver, Weapon Focus (flail)
Skills (ACP 0) Concentration
SQ Turn Undead 5/day
Gear fullplate +1, mw flail, heartseeking amulet 3/day, least crystal of arrow deflection, darkwood shield +1, cloak of resistance +1, sling
scroll of bear's endurance, potion of shield, potion of cure light wounds, scroll of magic weapon[/sblock]
Here is Blarg's Duskblade/Warblade build. In fight #6 he took on my roommate's Swashbuckler/Wizard and I played the Swordsage/Battle Sorcerer. The Swordsage managed to get them both with Hideous Laughter but lacked the ability to capitalize on it, mainly due to some really horrible roles. I managed to kill off the Swashbuckler but then Blarg slaughtered me
[sblock=Azurin Duskblade 2/Warblade 3]Male azurin duskblade 2/warblade 3
CE Medium humanoid (human, incarnum)
Init +2; Senses Listen +1, Spot +1
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AC 17, touch 12, flat-footed 15
(+2 Dex, +5 armor, uncanny dodge)
hp 44 (2d8 +3d12 +10)
Fort +8, Ref +5, Will +5
Defensive Abilities +1 vs. energy drain, inflict spells, death effects
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Spd 30 ft.
Melee +1 falchion +11 (2d4 +8 +1 acid/18-20)
Ranged sling +7 (1d4 +4, 50')
Ranged bola +3 (1d3 +4, 10')
+2 to confirm crits
Knowledge Devotion: +1 <= 15, +2 <= 25, +3 <= 30, insight to attack and damage
Spells Known (CL 0th):
1st (4)- kelgore's fire bolt, swift expedition retreat, true strike
0 (7)-
Manuevers Known (IL 4th):
Stances: blood in the water
Strikes: disarming strike, emerald razor, wolf fang strike, sapphire nightmare blade
Boosts: moment of perfect mind
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Abilities Str 18, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 12, Cha 10
Base Atk +4; Grp +10
Feats Practiced Spellcaster, Shape Soulmeld (Bloodwar Gauntlets), Knowledge Devotion, Combat Casting
Skills (ACP -1) Autohypnosis +10, Concentration +10, Spellcraft +12, Know (local) +10, Know (arcana) +10
Gear +1 falchion, least acid assault crystal, belt of strength +2, chain shirt +1, least crystal of lifekeeping
scroll of keen edge, potion of shield, scroll of obscuring mist, potion of shield of faith[/sblock]
These two haven't dueled yet but we plan on doing a combat or two with them soon. The Dragonshaman participated in the killing of two Large Red Dragons (more on this in the next post).
[sblock=Duskling Barbarian 1/Dragonshaman 4]Male duskling barbarian 1/dragonshaman 4
CN medium fey (incarnum)
Init +2; Senses low-light; Listen +0, Spot +0
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AC 19 (17), touch 12 (10), flat-footed 17 (15)
(+2 dex, +5 armor, +2 natural (+1/essentia))
hp 48 (58) (1d12 +4d10 +20)
Fort +11 (+13), Ref +4, Will +5 (+7)
Immune paralysis and sleep effects, draconic presence
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Spd 30 ft. (+5 ft./essentia)
Melee mw glaive +7 (1d10 +3 +1 acid/x3)
Melee mw glaive +9 (1d10 +6 +1 acid/x3)
Ranged mw composite longbow (+2) +7 (1d8 +2/x3)
Ranged breath weapon (3d6 acid, DC 18 (DC 20) Ref half, 1d4 recharge, 30 ft. line)
Auras Known (+1):
- Energy Shield (2x aura acid damage against natural and non-reach attacks)
- Power (1x aura extra melee damage)
- Fast Healing (1/hp round up to half hp)
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Abilities Str 14, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 14
Base Atk +4; Grp +6
Feats Shape Soulmeld (Wormtail belt), Intimidating Rage, Skill Focus (Jump)
Skills (ACP -3) Intimidate +17, Bluff +10, Jump +10
SQ Dragon Totem (Copper), Rage 1/day, Spiderclimb, Fast Movement, Essentia (1 pt.)
Gear mw glaive, mw breastplate, dragon spirit cincture, Crystal of Energy Assault (Acid), mw composite longbow (+2), Mask of Mastery, cloak of resistance +1, greataxe, net, bola (2)
potion of see invis, potion of shield (2mins), potion of shield of faith (2mins)[/sblock]
The Crusader/Cleric build is eventually going for Ruby Knight Vindicator.
[sblock=Human Crusader 1/Cleric 4]Male human crusader 1/cleric 4
LG medium humanoid (human)
Init +1; Senses Listen +2, Spot +2
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AC 23, touch 11, flat-footed 22
(+1 dex, +9 armor, +3 shield)
hp 40 (1d10 +4d8 +10)
Fort +9, Ref +3, Will +7
Defensive Abilities steely resolve 5
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Spd 20 ft.
Melee mw flail +9 (1d8 +3)
Ranged sling +5 (1d4 +3, 50 ft.)
Special Attacks furious counterstrike
Spells Known (CL 4th):
2nd - aid, bull's strength, hold person, spiritual weapon (d)
1st - longstrider (d), doom, inflict light wounds, divine favor, shield of faith,
0 - light, resistance, guidance, inflict minor wounds, mending
Maneuvers Known (IL 3rd):
Stances - martial stance
Strikes - stone bones, crusader strike, douse the flames, charging minotaur, vanguard strike
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Abilities Str 16, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 14
Base Atk +4; Grp +7
Feats Stone Power, Divine Alacrity, Extra Granted Maneuver, Weapon Focus (flail)
Skills (ACP 0) Concentration
SQ Turn Undead 5/day
Gear fullplate +1, mw flail, heartseeking amulet 3/day, least crystal of arrow deflection, darkwood shield +1, cloak of resistance +1, sling
scroll of bear's endurance, potion of shield, potion of cure light wounds, scroll of magic weapon[/sblock]
Erywin
First Post
Dragons!!!
Well after having built all these characters we decided to see what they could do. I would run a CR 5 Large Red Dragon vs 4 of characters of Blarg's and my roommate's choice. Blarg chose the Duskling Barbarian/Dragonshaman and the Human Ranger/Scout. My roommate chose the Dwarf Barbarian/Fighter and the Raptoran Duskblade.
First fight went well in their favor vs the CR 5 Large Red Dragon, the dragon got in there quickly and breathed on 3 of them as he had rolled a high initiative, but under the concentrated attacks of the PCs the dragon went down quickly. The Dragonshaman's Energy Shield aura really added up against a creature that has 6 attacks a round.
Second fight was against a CR 7 Large Red Dragon, again he caught 3 of the characters in his breath weapon and nearly killed off two in the first round. After getting hit with a Ray of Enfeeblement it was harder for him to hit the High AC Barbarian But in the end he managed to kill off all but the Ranger/Scout.
All in all the characters are quite powerful and a fun challenge to try to kill
Cheers,
E
Well after having built all these characters we decided to see what they could do. I would run a CR 5 Large Red Dragon vs 4 of characters of Blarg's and my roommate's choice. Blarg chose the Duskling Barbarian/Dragonshaman and the Human Ranger/Scout. My roommate chose the Dwarf Barbarian/Fighter and the Raptoran Duskblade.
First fight went well in their favor vs the CR 5 Large Red Dragon, the dragon got in there quickly and breathed on 3 of them as he had rolled a high initiative, but under the concentrated attacks of the PCs the dragon went down quickly. The Dragonshaman's Energy Shield aura really added up against a creature that has 6 attacks a round.
Second fight was against a CR 7 Large Red Dragon, again he caught 3 of the characters in his breath weapon and nearly killed off two in the first round. After getting hit with a Ray of Enfeeblement it was harder for him to hit the High AC Barbarian
But in the end he managed to kill off all but the Ranger/Scout.All in all the characters are quite powerful and a fun challenge to try to kill
Cheers,
E
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