Erebus said:
Who's to say WotC didn't consider their work? Maybe they simply didn't like what they saw. I've seen some of the material produced by athas.org and I wasn't all that blown away by it, but that's just me. Also, the DS setting never "died" for me. I still have all my DS material even after getting rid of my other 2e books. In fact, I've gone as far as to buy OoP DS stuff in hopes of completing my collection.
Maybe if you would actually explore the WotC DS board more than just wandering, maybe you would see that the athas.org team already said that they didnt recieved ANY informations whatsoever coming from WotC. They were left alone with the settings and now that the job is completed, someone else do it.
What do you mean by "died" first of all. Did you played 3e DS or you continued playing your darksun in 2e? Not dead for me is that there is still material produced, produced in 3E to follow the edition. Did you used the old product or you used new material? You surely didnt used new material because I dont think you converted all the DS rules to 3e, unless I am mistaken. Buying old material and completing a collection doesnt make a setting alive; building new and converting old does.
Erebus said:
I've been to the DS boards. It's pretty apparent not everyone there uses the athas.org material when a lot of people are posting their own d20 conversions and/or links to their own DS website. Perhaps I should clarify my question: Besides athas.org and their most ardent followers, what percentage of DS fans use their material? I mean, I consider myself a fan of DS and I support a DS revival, but I don't use any of their material. Again, of the thousands of DS fans, how many of them (%) actually do? They may be the "official fan site" but their material is far from official.
Of course peoples post their conversion; peoples want they creation to be commented. FR is the setting that probably have the most different conversion among all races, classes, etc. You can't stop peoples from having ideas.
What you are saying about DS links and their site or own conversion just validate my point. Since athas.org took the helm to convert DS to 3e, the DS site as begin to repop to the surface. There is a lot of 2e site that died when they left this setting as dead one. Athas.org kept DS alive, even if peoples didnt used their conversion, they kept the interest of peoples.
As for your % question. Who knows? There may be a lot or a few, but it doesnt make your point valid. Btw, in which way did you supported DS in all these years? Buying old DS pdf? How did you helped to keep DS alive and healthy all these years? How did you contributed in pushing DS to 3ed ? Did you made your own conversion? Did you post anything ever everywhere about DS ? That'S what I call supporting, not monitoring.
Erebus said:
Perhaps. However, I'd counter that probably more DS fans would be inclined to use "official" material produced by professional game designers than they would the material on athas.org or anywhere else for that matter. And that's not meant as a slight against athas.org or anyone else. There are a lot of DM's who won't use anything produced by 3rd-party sources regardless of who they are (i.e. Green Ronin, Malhavoc). If it isn't WotC, they simply pass over it.
I concur with your point here. I actually and usually mostly use the WotC material, with some exceptions. Although, it wouldnt have been very hard for Dragon mag peoples to at least have an eyes on what was going on at athas.org and try to make something together. I am pretty sure some of the paizo stuff will broke some Darksun rules (which doesnt me will but might). An army of DS supporter knows a lot about darksun. They have been questionned over 4 years, why not use the knowledge that was used in the creation of these rules?
Erebus said:
Yeah, I've been to many of the fan DS sites. Some material is okay, some is not okay, AFAIAC. A lot of the stuff I've encountered has been fairly "fanboyish" and/or stale. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.
Again, you are right about fan material. That doesnt mean it can't help DM sometime, with new ideas or useful material. Actually, I have a web site (
www.siltskimmer.net) about darksun. I am pretty sure most of the stuff there isnt very balanced or extremely munckinned, but if someone is interested, he take it and I am feel proud to have contribute to keep the setting alive in creating something.
Erebus said:
Thank AGAIN.