[Dungeon] Lich Queen's Beloved: Am I missing something? (spoilers)

[Bendris Noulg]

*thinks he'll start his own little thread war* Scarred Lands is the most balanced setting out there! *is kidding*

*slaps Nightall with a fish*

Don't you get silly with me... You know I'm overpowered in that regard.

 

[Numion]

True, but again not relevant. Considering 3E's "anything goes" attitude, running the adventure for 4 Illithid PCs (with the standard equipment for 4 PCs of 18th Level) is a viable, vallid and acceptable choice.

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was that the adventure wouldn't be possible as written since Illithid NPCs would've offed her a long time a go. D&D rules aren't meant for NPCs doing the adventures, so if you use them as such stupidness ensues.

EDIT: You see, if it wasn't done by characters controlled by actual human players, it was done by NPCs. You're constantly applying rules meant for PCs on things done by the NPCs. So you're not really doing it by the rules.

So, you could run the adventure for 4 illithid PCs, yes. Then there is no arguing really, since you're using the adventure and it worked for you. But you cant run it for illithid NPCs by the rules. They wouldn't gain exp from it, and would probably be too low level for example when they encounter the Lich Queen (since they didn't gain exp from the adventure up to that point, unlike PCs did.)

 

[Tiefling]

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was that the adventure wouldn't be possible as written since Illithid NPCs would've offed her a long time a go. D&D rules aren't meant for NPCs doing the adventures, so if you use them as such stupidness ensues.

What's the difference between PC and NPC adventurers?

 

[jasamcarl]

Ehr... When do I do this? I simply state that Mind Flayers will have levels (since their advancement in the MM is "by class level"); I don't indicate what the ratio of those levels are.

True but irrelevent.

True, but again not relevant. Considering 3E's "anything goes" attitude, running the adventure for 4 Illithid PCs (with the standard equipment for 4 PCs of 18th Level) is a viable, vallid and acceptable choice.

Exactly its YOUR choice. Why are you setting up a scenario that is not directly supported beyond the broadest details and then tearing it down? Sort of an masochist thing going, huh?

 

[Darkness]

Just saying hello. Please be nice, y'all.

 

[jasamcarl]

What's the difference between PC and NPC adventurers?

Whatever the dm decides they are, because the core rules do not detail how npcs gain experience or what they do.

 

[jasamcarl]

I go away for a few hours and you guys crank out 60+ posts and counting.

Hi Numion mate!



Indeed, in fact it should be relative simplicity to add the Demigod Template to her stats.



The cosmological plausibility factor wherein the ruler of an entire race with numerous powerful enemies is merely 25th-level.

One thing about the adventure I am curious about (perhaps someone can tell me?), are there any provisos for what happens when and if the PCs either fail or succeed...the revenge of the Githyanki as it were? I can envision a number of scenarios but I am curious what the adventure details in this regard.

The 'cosmological plausibility' can be established through any number ways by the dm given the individual history of his campaign. Not that it ever comes into play, except when it is decided that it should be used as a plot hook for the party.

 

[Numion]

What's the difference between PC and NPC adventurers?

PCs are controlled by humans. Rules for this are presented in PHB and DMG.

NPCs are controlled by DMs. Rules for NPCs gaining exp, levels and such (in short words, adventuring) are not covered anywhere.

And, they have different wealths

 

[Piratecat]

Guys, stop for a second and think about the real world. The concept of the lich queen not being high enough level doesn't really stand up to logic.

Let's take the Queen of England, and assume that a bunch of multi-tentacled horrors wanted her destroyed. Now, she's no tougher than anyone else, since our world doesn't really work in terms of levels - she may be a "20th lvl queen," or what have you, but she's still as fragile as anyone else.

But do you think those anti-Brit illithids would be able to come near her?

Not a chance. Her loyal supporters would do everything in their power to save, protect and support her - in part BECAUSE she's fragile.

Same thing for the githyanki. Sure, they're queen is eeevil and power-hungry and uber-powerful, but she'll always be perceived by the githyanki as having Ultimate power, and thus they will fight for her with all their might. The githyanki lich-queen could be 1st level, and so long as her people were loyal to her she'd STILL keep back the mindflayer threat.

Just a thought.

 

[Numion]

The cosmological plausibility factor wherein the ruler of an entire race with numerous powerful enemies is merely 25th-level.

And then how do the humans in all settings factor in? Their leaders are rarely even 25th level. If you use the city guidelines in DMG humans don't have much more high-level dudes than the Githyanki, even though humans don't kill 17th+ level men. So you could argue that humans are about as wimpy as the Githyanki.

Illithids hate humans too. By your logic humans should be gone too, no?