[Dungeon] Lich Queen's Beloved: Am I missing something? (spoilers)

[jasamcarl]

At this point, I think its best to let this issue rest. Bendris refuses to be convinced, or atleast indicate he has. He has certainly been unable to tackle my points or even properly interpret those of others (which are mine as well). This is too onesided to be amusing anymore.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

You know, being pompous doesn't suit you. Your arguments don't merit that sort of loftiness.

Actually, I admitted earlier that I was being rediculous. Anyone's participation in the escalation of this line of discussion after that point has been entirely voluntary.

 

[barsoomcore]

I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion about WotC's inability to properly handle their own material (in case you didn't notice).

Actually, what you seem to be trying to do is assert that WotC is responsible for administering a "default" setting for D&D, and furthermore, for making sure that all the materials they publish fit into either that setting or some other setting they are also responsible for administering.

I disagree. I don't think they're responsible for anything other than showing a profit.

Now, if you are publishing something and advertising it as part of some particular setting, then of course you'll do better and build a better reputation if you make sure that it is consistent with other materials that have been published about that setting.

I don't see how Dungeon adventures fall into this category. Unless in the adventure it states that this is meant to fit into a Greyhawk campaign or FR or whatever, where's the need to make it consistent with ANYTHING?

I mean, who cares if the "lich-queen" described in this adventure is more or less powerful than Orcus, as he's described in the BoVD, or a great wyrm red dragon as described in MM, or Zeus from D&DG? Unless one of those figures is actually a part of the adventure, the relative power levels are unimportant. Or rather, they are a detail for the DM to consider, as the arbiter of what the campaign contains and how those elements ought to be arranged.

It's my campaign. If I want a 40th-level githyanki lich-queen I'll make one. Or go looking for somebody who's already done so. If I want an 18th-level GLQ I'll make one, or use the one provided here. And if I want to say she's more powerful than anyone else in the cosmos I can. Or I can say she's made deals with other powerful figures. Or I can to heck with it, it's my campaign and there's a 18th-level githyanki lich-queen and I don't care if the mind flayers could eat her for breakfast, I'm the DM and I say they haven't.

All the editors of Dungeon are responsible for is making sure that their magazine provides well-written, well-designed adventures that make the DM's life easier. If you don't want an 18th-level GLQ, don't use it. You're no worse off than were before this magazine came out, are you?

 

[jasamcarl]

Actually, I keep discussion of my rules away from most boards (as they tend to start power-gamers and min-maxers on the war-path).

However, as the adventure being discussed picked from not one, not two, but three non-Core sources (MotP, PsiHB and ELH), than the existance and use of other non-Core sources should not be overlooked (lest we allow WotC to pick-and-choose for us, which, in my opinion, would really make for an uninteresting campaign).

No, instead, you pick and choose and then blame Wotc for what you yourself created. You seem fundementally unable to be critical of yourself, or too unimaginative..i don't know which.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

No, instead, you pick and choose and then blame Wotc for what you yourself created. You seem fundementally unable to be critical of yourself, or too unimaginative..i don't know which.

Again, you show your ignorance, lest you would know that WotC has little to do with what goes on at my table (since, unlike WotC, I don't feel the need to cater to power-gamers, min/max/munchers, poor roleplayers, or anyone else for the sake of profit). I simply feel that what they put out should fit into the cohesive whole of the "default" setting that they like to taught as balanced while making some degree of logical sense that someone above 8th grade can relate to.

 

[jasamcarl]

Again, you show your ignorance, lest you would know that WotC has little to do with what goes on at my table (since, unlike WotC, I don't feel the need to cater to power-gamers, min/max/munchers, poor roleplayers, or anyone else for the sake of profit). I simply feel that what they put out should fit into the cohesive whole of the "default" setting that they like to taught as balanced while making some degree of logical sense that someone above 8th grade can relate to.

Umm..i'm not implying you use the default setting as you percieve it for your game. I'm implying that your interpretation of the default setting is based on a combination of poor assumptions conscerning how prominent certain rules phenomena are related to that setting, as well as certain fundemental misunderstandings of how those rules work. You are creating the contradictions yourself, because the setting is so vague as to be little more than a series of adventure hooks. Your pomposity is so extreme that you confuse your own contrivance with accepted canon.

 

[buzzard]

Again, you show your ignorance, lest you would know that WotC has little to do with what goes on at my table (since, unlike WotC, I don't feel the need to cater to power-gamers, min/max/munchers, poor roleplayers, or anyone else for the sake of profit). I simply feel that what they put out should fit into the cohesive whole of the "default" setting that they like to taught as balanced while making some degree of logical sense that someone above 8th grade can relate to.

Hmm, let's se who publishes Dungeon... My, Oh, My! It's Paizo Publishing. Funny, that doesn't say Wizards of the Coast. Amazing. I guess Dungeon can't be considered a Core supplement than, now can it?

You don't know the rules of the game. You don't know who published the adventure in question. I'm curious, there is something you do know right? (Other than ranting about powergamers and whatnot).

buzzard

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Your pomposity is so extreme that you confuse your own contrivance with accepted canon.

No, I'm doing it on purpose.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

I guess Dungeon can't be considered a Core supplement than, now can it?

Actually, that adventure would have to be, or they have special licensing, since Githyanki aren't in the SRD and the Lich-Queen is clearly WotC IP.

You don't know the rules of the game. You don't know who published the adventure in question. I'm curious, there is something you do know right? (Other than ranting about powergamers and whatnot).

Yeah, how to make uptight folks get their undies in a wad when the mood suits me by portraying the above.

 

[buzzard]

Actually, that adventure would have to be, or they have special licensing, since Githyanki aren't in the SRD and the Lich-Queen is clearly WotC IP.

Survey says BZZZT! Nope sorry, play again. Nothing in Dungeon is Cannon. Adventures which may change something in there don't necessarily affect the settings in question. For example, Liviing Greyhawk is not dependent on anything which comes from Dungeon. I don't believe Dungeon has any effect on Forgotten Realms either.

Yeah, how to make uptight folks get their undies in a wad when the mood suits me by portraying the above.

Now if you believe that making yourself look like a fool gets people's panties in a wad, well sure- wear that "Kick Me" sign in public and gloat over your triumph.

buzzard