Duskblade Arcane Channeling

[Talic]

For the sake of metamagic feats such as maximize or empower. Normally spontanious metamagic use boosts the casting time to a full-round action. Arcane Channeling combines a spell cast with a melee attack as a standard action. The ability also states that the spell must have a casting time of 1 standard action or less.

So techincally I don't think it's legal, but would it be fair to allow a metamagic arcane channeling as a full-round action allowing for a single melee attack? What about at 13th level when you can cast any touch spell as part of a full attack action?

I'm not saying its a great idea, but a player brought it up(and might even be considering it for all I know) while goin over the class, so thought I'd ask oppinions.

 

[Shayuri]

Were it I, I'd say no. You could use the Sudden Metamagic line to do it, of course. And the Quick Cast class feature of the Duskblade isn't metamagic, so it could work (quick cast something, then cast again through arcane channel). But despite the spells being based on Int instead of Cha, the Duskblade IS a spontaneous caster, and metamagic use increases casting time.

 

[3d6]

It not rules-legal, but I'd allow it to work anyway. I've never really liked the increased casting time for spontaneous spellcasters.

 

[shilsen]

By the rules, it's illegal. Is it an acceptable house rule? That's dependent on the individual DM, group and campaign.

 

[Talic]

Thanks for the input.

Another question. Assuming the Arcane Channeling attack misses, does the touch spell remain charged as normal? The full round Arcane channel specifically states the spell is used after the action. The standard action version does not say either way, but I'm inclined to allow the charge to be held.

 

[Sithobi1]

Were it I, I'd say no. You could use the Sudden Metamagic line to do it, of course. And the Quick Cast class feature of the Duskblade isn't metamagic, so it could work (quick cast something, then cast again through arcane channel). But despite the spells being based on Int instead of Cha, the Duskblade IS a spontaneous caster, and metamagic use increases casting time.

Actually, you can't use Sudden Metamagic, because it increases casting time.

 

[WarDragon]

For the sake of metamagic feats such as maximize or empower. Normally spontanious metamagic use boosts the casting time to a full-round action. Arcane Channeling combines a spell cast with a melee attack as a standard action. The ability also states that the spell must have a casting time of 1 standard action or less.

So techincally I don't think it's legal, but would it be fair to allow a metamagic arcane channeling as a full-round action allowing for a single melee attack? What about at 13th level when you can cast any touch spell as part of a full attack action?

I'm not saying its a great idea, but a player brought it up(and might even be considering it for all I know) while goin over the class, so thought I'd ask oppinions.

The whole question is based on a faulty premise; nowhere in the entire description of the Duskblade class does it say that they increase casting time for metamagic, even though they are spontaneous casters. Believe me, I've double and triple checked it; whether WotC intended it or not, the RAW says Duskblades can use any metamagic they want, with the spell's normal casting time. So, you can channel Empowered spells all day long!

Actually, you can't use Sudden Metamagic, because it increases casting time.

No, they don't.

 

[KarinsDad]

The whole question is based on a faulty premise; nowhere in the entire description of the Duskblade class does it say that they increase casting time for metamagic, even though they are spontaneous casters. Believe me, I've double and triple checked it; whether WotC intended it or not, the RAW says Duskblades can use any metamagic they want, with the spell's normal casting time. So, you can channel Empowered spells all day long!

I think this is a faulty premise.

But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. Therefore, such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell.

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Casting a 1-action metamagic spell spontaneously is a full-round action, and a spell with a longer casting time takes an extra full-round action to cast.

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Special: This feat can’t be applied to any spell cast spontaneously (including sorcerer spells, bard spells, and cleric or druid spells cast spontaneously), since applying a metamagic feat to a spontaneously cast spell automatically increases the casting time to a full-round action.

It does not matter who does it unless that class explicitly states that it is an exception to the general rule.

 

[comrade raoul]

The whole question is based on a faulty premise; nowhere in the entire description of the Duskblade class does it say that they increase casting time for metamagic, even though they are spontaneous casters.

Ah, but it doesn't say so in the description of the sorcerer class, either. It's clear from the description that KarinsDad quotes that the PH intends for the metamagic rules to apply to all spontaneous casters.

 

[shilsen]

Thanks for the input.

Another question. Assuming the Arcane Channeling attack misses, does the touch spell remain charged as normal? The full round Arcane channel specifically states the spell is used after the action. The standard action version does not say either way, but I'm inclined to allow the charge to be held.

I'd allow the charge to be held.