duskblade

[Diomeneus]

5th level is 2d8+5 (for stonechild) then another 1d8+5 for 1st level of duskblade.
your first hit dice are always maximized so thats 21, giving you 26+1d8 HP for 5th level. its still low... but it gets substantially higher as it levels up (the +5 REALLY helps)

 

[mikebr99]

5th level is 2d8+5 (for stonechild) then another 1d8+5 for 1st level of duskblade.
your first hit dice are always maximized so thats 21, giving you 26+1d8 HP for 5th level. its still low... but it gets substantially higher as it levels up (the +5 REALLY helps)

Ahh... that's what is not right. You will be ECL 7, as a 1st level Duskblade.

LA +4
HD +2
DB +1

You can't start a Stonechild Duskblade at 5th... unless your DM is using the variant rule in PgtF, p:190 to make up for those extra 2 levels.

Good luck.

Mike

 

[zeb.hillard]

That's what I had thought as well. The LA adds onto the racial hit dice for the creature to determine the final adjustment. Also, unless your DM is very generous, only one of those racial hit dice is maximized, the other is rolled.

 

[Diomeneus]

the stonechild has two different methods of building a character, one which is simply a level adjustment of +4 and another where you start at level one and over the next 5 levels (making 6 levels of stonechild then one more for a duskblade) earn the racial traits (its also the monster class for making an npc one).

mine is simply the level adjustment +4 stonechild, not the one that starts at lvl 1 and levels up in its race.

edit: just figuring out what your LA and all those were... HD means the 2d8 hit die... which you are saying is those two levels of outsider... see now i am confused. I thought that the two levels of outsider were assumed to be a part of the LA +4. If i can't even start taking duskblade until i'm level 7 then there isn't much use in taking it at all to be honest... it would hurt me more then it would help.

why would it not write that the total EFC would be +6? A vampires template mentions its total is +8... this is going to ruin three days worth of research and character building if it really is +6... or heavily modify anyways... probably beyond repair


grrrrrrrr.......

 

[mikebr99]

the stonechild has two different methods of building a character, one which is simply a level adjustment of +4 and another where you start at level one and over the next 5 levels (making 6 levels of stonechild then one more for a duskblade) earn the racial traits (its also the monster class for making an npc one).

mine is simply the level adjustment +4 stonechild, not the one that starts at lvl 1 and levels up in its race.

edit: just figuring out what your LA and all those were... HD means the 2d8 hit die... which you are saying is those two levels of outsider... see now i am confused. I thought that the two levels of outsider were assumed to be a part of the LA +4. If i can't even start taking duskblade until i'm level 7 then there isn't much use in taking it at all to be honest... it would hurt me more then it would help.

why would it not write that the total EFC would be +6? A vampires template mentions its total is +8... this is going to ruin three days worth of research and character building if it really is +6... or heavily modify anyways... probably beyond repair

You Are right about 2 different ways of creating a Stonechild character... one way is to follow table 4-5 in RoS... the other is the way I outlined above. You cannot discount the HD out of the total ECL.


Mike

 

[zeb.hillard]

why would it not write that the total EFC would be +6? A vampires template mentions its total is +8

Because the Stonechild is not a Templace, it is a race. If it were a template you could add on top of an existing character then yes, it would be +4. However, since it possesses its own racial hit dice, you must add those to the level adjustment.

 

[Diomeneus]

Goliath
HD 1
LA 1
Barbarian 1

that would mean a goliaths minimum is level 3 for a character with a class...

or that any character created has to be level two (for HD 1 and 1 class level)

this doesn't make sense to me...
or are you saying that because it has a racial hit die that gives it hit points whereas the goliath and normal races only get the class HD is whats making it an additional two levels?

could you possibly tell me what book and page the rules for created a character with a level adjustment are? It would probably do me good to simply read through it myself. I always just assumed that you adjusted your level by the amount it said... i could be wrong though

edit: you posted in between my post saying pretty much what i said above about racial hit dice... which makes sense... still screws me, but makes sense, still i wouldn' tmind reading it myself.

 

[mikebr99]

YMMV... and even if your DM allows you to wave away the HD cost out of ECL... 4 levels is still too many to take away from a spellcasting class.

Be a Sun Elf or a Human...

Mike

 

[mikebr99]

Goliath
HD 1
LA 1
Barbarian 1

that would mean a goliaths minimum is level 3 for a character with a class...

or that any character created has to be level two (for HD 1 and 1 class level)

this doesn't make sense to me...
or are you saying that because it has a racial hit die that gives it hit points whereas the goliath and normal races only get the class HD is whats making it an additional two levels?

could you possibly tell me what book and page the rules for created a character with a level adjustment are? It would probably do me good to simply read through it myself. I always just assumed that you adjusted your level by the amount it said... i could be wrong though

edit: you posted in between my post saying pretty much what i said above about racial hit dice... which makes sense... still screws me, but makes sense, still i wouldn' tmind reading it myself.

Golaiths have 0 HD...

Mike

 

[Diomeneus]

bah... that pretty much forces me to take a martial class for the stonechild.... so saddening... now i have ot either make it a goliath instead or change the class to fighter... either one is almost a new character entirely....

...booooo....

edit: ya i know the goliath shave 0 hit die... i wrote about that later in the post so i made sense, i just left the beginning in so you would know i realized it mid post... i don't know why...