D&D 4E Ebberon Elves in 4E

[Blue Monk]

Once I recieve 4E core books I am not waiting to begin my Ebberon Campaign. I have a 3.5 Ebberon Setting book and will immeadiately use the fluff within.

Now that 4E split the Elves into the Eladrin and Elf how would you present them in Ebberon?

Valenar Elves= Eladrin

Arenal Elves= Eladrin (or Shadarkai), or mixed Elf and Eladrin

Khovaire Elves= Elves

Could they be more intermixed within their defining cultures?


I will likely have the Elves be the early race to leave Arenal for Khovaire where they have inhabited the forests there even before the Humans rose to power. These Elves did not approve of the path that Arenal elves were taking when they began creating the undying court.

 

[evildm]

Ultimately, until we see the official Eberron book, it's up to each DM on a case by case basis. Personally, however, I think the Aereni will be Eladrin and the Valenar will be Elves, while Khorvaire elves will be either/or, as decided by the player.

 

[jelmore]

Once I recieve 4E core books I am not waiting to begin my Ebberon Campaign. I have a 3.5 Ebberon Setting book and will immeadiately use the fluff within.

Now that 4E split the Elves into the Eladrin and Elf how would you present them in Ebberon?

Valenar Elves= Eladrin

Arenal Elves= Eladrin (or Shadarkai), or mixed Elf and Eladrin

Khovaire Elves= Elves

Could they be more intermixed within their defining cultures?


I will likely have the Elves be the early race to leave Arenal for Khovaire where they have inhabited the forests there even before the Humans rose to power. These Elves did not approve of the path that Arenal elves were taking when they began creating the undying court.

Doesn't really fit the setting flavor, though. Valenar are also ancestor-worshippers, they just don't let them walk around and run things.

I don't see why you can't use Elves for both the Valenar and the Aerenal. The differences are largely cosmetic.

I can see Eladrin in Eberron easily: as refugees from Thelanis or living in the Eldeen Reaches. Sharn: City of Towers already has a ghaele eladrin as an NPC in it.

 

[Twiggly the Gnome]

I don't see any good reason to change how it's set up now.

Elves = Aereni, Tairnadal and Khorvairen elves.

Eladrin = The fey lords of Thelanis and the Twilight Demesne.

 

[Blue Monk]

Good comments.

I just was curious as it seems that Wizards changed the nature of Elves with 4E by changing the High Elves into Eladrin. Then combining the Moon elves with the wood and wild elves to create the 4e Elf.

Aparrently the Eladrin is just another name for Sun Elf, or High Elf in 4e.

It is just somthing to think about.

 

[Graf]

This has been discussed a lot in various places online.

I think people have gotten obsessed with feystep and stopped looking at the big picture; which as some people (Blue Monk) have pointed out is basically that that High/Sun/Grey elf = Eladrin.

The elf "split personality" was forest-dwelling ranger types vs super-intelligent arcanists.

In that context it's obvious that Aerenal elves are Eladrin and Valenar Elves are "elves".

I'm deeply hoping that they'll just re-fluff the Aerenal a bit rather than introduce a new super-special elvin-subrace.
Eberron has been blessed with a lack of silly elvin-super-races. I hope that trend continues.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I think it could be quite a lot of fun to have Valenar elves as elves, Aerenal elves as Eladrin and have the Aerenal homeland not be an island off in the sea but be the Feywild (or equivalent) which the Aerenal eladrin can feystep to.

That might be cool

 

[Steamhammer]

It's not like the Eladrin haven't been in the setting before; they were hanging around in .... *flipsthroughthebook* Thelanis; one of the Eberron Planes.

Ok, maybe that a bit way off in the void, but we also have Kalashtar, so why not the Eladrin?
As for Dragonborn-Charakters; they will hail from Argonessen in my world and be the Scalies leading barbarian tribes - No SilverFlame-Dragonborn Paladin for me *shudder*.

I'll kick off an DD4 Eberron Campaign for my group too, including KotS as their first adventure. I've only changed the Orcus-Guys into a Dragon-Of-The-Deep-Cult trying to establish a link to Xoriat, and some minor details.

 

[1of3]

Valenar and Aerenal are the same people. Valenar is just a colony hardly old enough for genetic variation. => All elves.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Valenar and Aerenal are the same people. Valenar is just a colony hardly old enough for genetic variation. => All elves.

That is certainly true in the 3e setting, but I think 4e provides an interesting opportunity to 'rethink' some of those designs.

In fact, as I think about it more I rather like the idea of Aerenal elves as Eladrin with a connection to the shadowfell rather than the feywild (with all their undead fetishistic stuff)

Cheers