Eberron: My issue with the 4e setting

[The_Fan]

You, sir, have made me sad.

The CharOp board makes me sad in general.

 

[AllisterH]

The CharOp board makes me sad in general.

*LOL*

You just need to know how to best use the Char Op boards.

For example, the various handbooks and uber-builds are invaluable as they tell a DM what to look out for.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

*LOL*

You just need to know how to best use the Char Op boards.

For example, the various handbooks and uber-builds are invaluable as they tell a DM what to look out for.

The handbooks are actually the one thing about CharOps I like, as they almost always stay in the relm of RAI instead of that hideous behemoth that should not be titled RAW. And they usually don't go into "THIS IS HOW TO BE HILARIOUSLY OVERPOWERED," but instead stick to being simply optimized and good at the being the class.

 

[AllisterH]

Yeah, the handbooks are fun to read and I actually recommend players to look through them.

As much grief as the Char-op boarders get for things like Pun-Pun, few people seem to understand that the char-ops are also the ones who most don't use their own creations....

(They know how to break the game so they don't push it to the extremes in their own games at home)

 

[Glyfair]

My biggest issue was that any race can have any Dragonmark.

Fortunately, this is one of the easiest things to houseful back to the old method. I personally have houseruled this. I admit, a player with the right backstory could convince me to make an exception to my own houserule, but it would have to be an awesome backstory.

According to the book, as well, this is something that is incredibly rare and also potentially troublesome for the so-marked, as not only is it an aberrant mark but it also threatens whichever house's toes they've inadvertently stepped on.

However, also according to the book it is very common in certain areas (look at the racial discussions where they note how common it is for certain races to have "off race" marks, notably the eladrin.

As for me, my old Eberron character was a halfing wizard with the mark of healing. What I would have liked to have seen was a way that the dragonmarks both enhanced a class that already had those abilties and gave some touchmarks in those that don't. The 4E method doesn't quite reach the second of those.

 

[I'm A Banana]

As for me, my old Eberron character was a halfing wizard with the mark of healing. What I would have liked to have seen was a way that the dragonmarks both enhanced a class that already had those abilties and gave some touchmarks in those that don't. The 4E method doesn't quite reach the second of those.

No love for free rituals?

Hey, everybody, free rituals!

Why no love for the free rituals?

 

[ryryguy]

I agree about the rituals, don't overlook them. Particularly from a world-building standpoint they really help to shore up the notion of the Houses. House Jorasco's success as an uberguild is going to be built on Remove Affliction rituals, not adventuring Bards.

(For many PC's, the access to rituals is going to have less impact, it's true. Reducing cost to acquire or component cost would not be out of line if you want to emphasize this aspect.)

Also, if you want to houserule a little bit, maybe there's a middle ground between just taking regular multiclass feats and the current dragonmarked feats. How about letting a dragonmarked feat also in effect be a multiclass feat that opens up Adept Power and so forth feats? So your Jorasco wizard with the dragonmark can take more feats to swap wizard powers for cleric powers. This works well for the fluff you want, since these extra powers could well be "powered" by the dragonmark and not a deity.

It would require a little thought - like, the Jorasco "multiclass" powers would have to be Healing powers, not just any cleric power. But if you're just doing it on a case-by-case basis for specific PC's and marks, rather than a full-fledged system, it seems like it would be straightforward and easy.

 

[CelticMutt]

Any race could have any mark in 3.5 as well. It's just that generally you wouldn't get it at first level. But there was at least one PrC, and I think a few adventures that gave marks to non-standard recipients.

Besides, when a non-standard recipient gets a mark, it's not a Dragon Mark, it's an Aberrant Mark.

 

[Glyfair]

But there was at least one PrC, and I think a few adventures that gave marks to non-standard recipients.

One adventure, one prestige class (and a pretty despised prestige class for that very reason).

 

[Shazman]

I assume you are refering to the Eyes of the Lick Queen Adventure and the Child of Kyber PrC.