ECL of a Blue Dragon

aliensex

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Its kind of silly, but we are doing a mini campaign, and I will be a Juvenile (CR 7) Blue Dragon. I was just wondering what you would think the ECL of it would be. I doubt I will be adding any character levels on top of it, but I was just wondering. I have guessed it at about ECL 17, but would like to hear your opinions.

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The Dragon articles lists it as ECL 20 (+17 for Juvenile, +3 for Blue). I'm not sure what Soldarin's figures it up at. The only one that Soldarin's lists is a Young Blue at ECL 15.
 

Hmmm... 20 eh? Sounds about right I guess. Its hard to judge the breath weapon and all the bloody attacks dragons get in a round!

20 sounds good enough though. I would highly doubt I will have the opportunity to add on any character levels.

Thanks!
 

Okay, someone must have slipped something in my Diet Coke (I hate Diet stuff) since I once let a 7th-level sorcerer take a hatchling silver dragon as his familiar. Every combat it got to release it's paralysis gas. (Ew.)

So, um, what is the ECL of a hatchling silver dragon?
 

A hatchling? I'd give it a 10, probably. It's about on par with a 6th or 7th level fighter with the half-celestial template. Except that it's strength is a little lower. The hatchling certainly shouldn't have been breathing paralysis gas every round, though -- there's a 1d4 round delay. A baby dragon familiar is kinda cool, though. I'd definately require taking Leadership at the very least, though.

I have no clue what the article says they are, but someone will have probably posted that by the time I'm done typing all this.

Dragon CRs are really wonky -- one explanation I've heard for them is that the CR assumes a party that is specifically prepped for fighting the dragon and is managing to engage the dragon in ideal circumstances. As that's not at all what the heck CR is supposed to represent, using the dragon's CR as a basis for determining its ECL doesn't work.

I'd go with HD + what do it's other abilities make it comparable to? So a great wyrm red would be 40 for HD + 19 for being a 19th level sorcerer + a 5 for its abilities beyond those two things for a total of 64. A juvenile blue being a ECL of 20 sounds about right.

Hmmm. I wonder how close my estimate for the GW Red is to the article's estimate?
 

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