ECL of an Awakened Raven?
- Thread starter Limper
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Dont forget: it has NO hands.
++Fly
+Dex
+Tiny
-----Hands
----Str
Character will not be able to be a good Spellcaster(Needs metammagic still-spell and higher Slots to cast anything).
Character will not be able to be a good Non-Spellcaster, can't draw weapons and is not able to do most Skills(Although a raven sneak- attack might look cool).
All in all: Ecl+0 at most if not less(If this is possible at all).
++Fly
+Dex
+Tiny
-----Hands
----Str
Character will not be able to be a good Spellcaster(Needs metammagic still-spell and higher Slots to cast anything).
Character will not be able to be a good Non-Spellcaster, can't draw weapons and is not able to do most Skills(Although a raven sneak- attack might look cool).
All in all: Ecl+0 at most if not less(If this is possible at all).
Tobold Hornblower
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I'm trying to figure out how to handle ECL for an awakened snail that will be a cohort. Obviously less than ECL 1. Not sure how to handle it, especially with cohort level limit.
I'm leaning toward making it EL 1, and letting it swap unusable feats like weapon and armor proficiencies for other feats that are useful.
A similar approach might work for your Raven.
I'm leaning toward making it EL 1, and letting it swap unusable feats like weapon and armor proficiencies for other feats that are useful.
A similar approach might work for your Raven.
Limper
First Post
Obsolete: Dont have much of a choice really... maybe just use an estrapolation of the feat.
Soldarin: +2! Have you read the stats on a raven? It has a Str of 1... in 3e thats a BIG disadvantage... add to that they aint that tough in any other aspect either.
Tobold Hornblower: A snail? Did the Druid get really drunk opn night? Ravens are rather gimpy... but snails make them look like powerhouses.
Soldarin: +2! Have you read the stats on a raven? It has a Str of 1... in 3e thats a BIG disadvantage... add to that they aint that tough in any other aspect either.
Tobold Hornblower: A snail? Did the Druid get really drunk opn night? Ravens are rather gimpy... but snails make them look like powerhouses.
Soldarin
First Post
Before the ELH ALL ecls are at least equal to the number of HD.
The low Str more than compensates for the flying and the small size. Add in the lack of hands, and the difficulties with equipment and you wind up with an ECL lower than 2, so it's +2 (2 HD creature).
Basically your raven relies on spells to do his fighting for him (no Str, no hands for bows). Playing a Raven seems a silly choice for a combat heavy game. In a roleplaying heavy game it can have some great advantages, though (who would suspect the raven of eavesdropping?).
The low Str more than compensates for the flying and the small size. Add in the lack of hands, and the difficulties with equipment and you wind up with an ECL lower than 2, so it's +2 (2 HD creature).
Basically your raven relies on spells to do his fighting for him (no Str, no hands for bows). Playing a Raven seems a silly choice for a combat heavy game. In a roleplaying heavy game it can have some great advantages, though (who would suspect the raven of eavesdropping?).
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Soldarin said:
I'm sure this can't be right.
After all, Elves and Dwarves and Hobgoblins are 1HD but they are not ECL+1, they are ECL+0...
