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Oh don't go into what is "normal" for humans to do, nobody can agree on that. As a counterpoint, consider the divorce rate of the United States.
But is that intentional by humans? Especially considering how we phrase our marriage rituals and vows?
And how many people meet or marry to just procreate? Having sex, sure, but having a child and always leaving behind a single parent?

There might be a lot of variety in human behavior, but this is definitely not one of the strong or common ones. Even less so in a (pseudo)medieval setting.
 

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Oh don't go into what is "normal" for humans to do, nobody can agree on that. As a counterpoint, consider the divorce rate of the United States.
It's rather relevant, given that part of the discussion is how fantasy races differ from real humans. If we can't discuss what humans do, then there is no basis for comparison.
 

But is that intentional by humans? Especially considering how we phrase our marriage rituals and vows?
And how many people meet or marry to just procreate? Having sex, sure, but having a child and always leaving behind a single parent?

There might be a lot of variety in human behavior, but this is definitely not one of the strong or common ones. Even less so in a (pseudo)medieval setting.

Marriage itself isn't always intentional, somtimes it is a socially enforced consequence of copulation that results in procreation, at least in western societies.
 

It's rather relevant, given that part of the discussion is how fantasy races differ from real humans. If we can't discuss what humans do, then there is no basis for comparison.

Oh we can discuss what real humans do, and what humans do may be relevant, but to presume something as "normal" is a bit much.
 

One has similarities with humans but differences, the other is a human with no differences. An example was already given. If they had actually put in the PHB and such that Dragonborn have no concept or feeling of love, that would've been a great way to set them apart from humans.
According to the PHB, "...a dragonborn takes responsibility for his or her actions and their consequences." I'd say that's not a feature of real-life humans in general.

But by your logic, I guess halflings are human with no differences. Dwarves too. Really, all of the non-human races take some aspect or aspects of human personality and amplify them. Playing something terribly non-human, after all, is either beyond the capabilities of, or of no interest to, most gamers.
 


Marriage itself isn't always intentional, somtimes it is a socially enforced consequence of copulation that results in procreation, at least in western societies.

While it may not actually be the actual result, the cultural "norm" is that men and women come together to form a unit. Together they have a child, or multiple children, and their offspring go on to do the same. Even if it doesn;t work out that way, the idea still remains the same.

Even if a human is divorced, the "social norm" is that the family "unit" is still in a way tied together, (through things like alimony, and child support.)

Even before the idea of divorce, you can see how a child outide of a married couple was considered "outside the norm" the term "bastard becoming an insult and such..."

And you can even see it in the above statement. If they have a child out of wedlock, society almost pressures them to get married... Because the "societal norm" is that two parents come together to raise a child.

To a human, if you say "I got a divorce." a valid responce could be: "I'm sorry things didn;t work out between the two of you."

Dragonborn society would be completely different.

Two Dragonborn come together out of the need to procreate. Once they've done that, they move on. No concept of a continued family unit (divorced or not.)

One parent maintains the child, the other moves on to the next.
 

Stepping away from the "What is the human norm," I think it WOULD have been a big upgrade to the class if they had given dragonborn a bigger emphasis on the "doesn't feel love" bit and made them to be a bit more - forgive the pun - cold blooded. Focus on them not connecting to others, and not because of trust issues or anything like that, but simply because they don't feel large amounts of empathy for others (they still feel some; we don't want a race of psychopaths).

Again, give races things that STAND OUT and set them apart from you and I, especially if you're trying to go for the Wowee! factor in dragon people.
 

Again, give races things that STAND OUT and set them apart from you and I, especially if you're trying to go for the Wowee! factor in dragon people.
Or, you could actually make them like dragons, perish the thought, so that they actually, you know, resembled dragons in some way other than the rubber mask: Arrogant, treasure-obsessed, easily flattered, and very cunning.

I don't care if someone thinks the "treasure obsessed" steps on the toes of dwarves - either go the whole hog, or get out of the kitchen. Or at least get the heck out of the core.

But then, going the whole hog would mean letting people play actual dragons, and they've already watered that down and compromised and hedged that into...well, what we've got now. Nevermind, horse has bolted.
 
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While it may not actually be the actual result, the cultural "norm" is that men and women come together to form a unit. Together they have a child, or multiple children, and their offspring go on to do the same. Even if it doesn;t work out that way, the idea still remains the same.
Even if a human is divorced, the "social norm" is that the family "unit" is still in a way tied together, (through things like alimony, and child support.)

In Human polynesian socieities a child was raised by the 'family' and it was not uncommon for fathers to be entirely absent. In fact their were even a class of Poea (Idle adventurers) who amongst other things would travel around the islands and have sexual liaisons with women sometimes getting them pregnant - there was no shame in this and no concept of 'born out of wedlock' (this was however balance by the impetus for such children to eventually 'look for' their father). Morever in Tahiti at one point infanticide was a common practice with missionary reports of some women having drawn dozens of unwanted babies

I'd could imagine Dragonborn doing this - mating takes place on a seasonal basis as males move outside their own clans and seek mates, once procreation occurs males return 'home' and have no part in the family unit. Instead females live with their brothers who will protect the young out of duty and because they strengthen the clan. Infanticide would also be common and sickly or otherwise weak juveniles would be routinely killed
 

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