Eladrin Soldier and Wizard of the Spiral Tower

[Duelpersonality]

So, already one of my players is trying to find interesting combos.

Looking at the Eladrin Soldier feat, it does not specify weapon damage, just a feat bonus to damage. If you're using a longsword as an arcane implement (as the Wizard of the Spiral Tower allows you to do), would the additional damage apply?

I'm tempted to allow it, if only because she's wanting to make an eladrin paladin with arcane initiate. Thoughts?

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

I would have to see the wording of the Feat, as well as the PP power that lets you replace your implement with a sword, but I have my doubts about that. Wish I could say more than that, but I can't take a very close look at the rules right now.

 

[KevinF]

I would say no, Your melee skill with the weapon has nothing to do with your skill in using it as an implement.

Somewhere I saw this issue addressed for warlock's using daggers as implements. Their melee bonuses for the dagger did not apply when using it as an implement.

 

[Duelpersonality]

I would say no, Your melee skill with the weapon has nothing to do with your skill in using it as an implement.

Somewhere I saw this issue addressed for warlock's using daggers as implements. Their melee bonuses for the dagger did not apply when using it as an implement.

That's just the point, though: no where in Eladrin Soldier does is say anything about melee.

I do see the point though, and I'm only considering this because of the severe MAD that the player has set herself up for.

I suppose another way to look at it is this: if a Wizard of the Spiral Tower was using a magic longsword, would the enhancement bonus apply to spell attack and damage rolls? Longswords are, after all, enchanted as melee weapons and not arcane implements (not trying to be snarky at all, just trying to see how people are thinking about things like this).

 

[Drakhar]

The way I see it, Using the longsword as an implement allows you to use any modifiers built into the weapon (a la Holy Avenger) not ones you get from being able to use the weapon yourself.

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

I suppose another way to look at it is this: if a Wizard of the Spiral Tower was using a magic longsword, would the enhancement bonus apply to spell attack and damage rolls?

Yes. The wizard has learned how to channel her arcane power through the sword and can use that power within a magical blade to augment her own spells.

It would work much the same that magical staves do. For Joe Fighter, a +6 quarterstaff is a special beatstick, but for Molly Wizard it harnesses her arcane might.

 

[Duelpersonality]

Yes. The wizard has learned how to channel her arcane power through the sword and can use that power within a magical blade to augment her own spells.

Which is how I'm going to be running it.

The more I sit and ponder, the more I'm thinking I'll only allow the bonus from Eladrin Soldier on powers that specifically do [W] damage. This does make the paragon powers for Wizard of the Spiral Tower pretty awesome, not that an encounter power that could potentially be at-will isn't awesome anyway.

 

[Kraydak]

The bonus from Eladrin Soldier will apply to powers with the "weapon" keyword. It won't apply to powers without the "weapon" keyword but with the "implement" keyword. Any enhancement bonus on the longsword will apply because it is also, here, an implement. Note that Eladrin soldier isn't restricted to melee: javelins can be thrown.